Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)
Mark D Lew wrote: I think the chopped off sidebar is a problem. Even if the lost information is redundant and not really necessary, I just think it's a turn-off to the user to see something that's gone off the edge and is not accessible by scrolling. It is more frustrating than if the panel were not there at all. That may not be logical, but I think that's how it is with most users. I have a new solution available now, where the submenu with names has a fixed height and instead scrolls. Let me know if this doesn't work. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)
Jari Williamsson / 05.2.26 / 03:15 AM wrote: I have a new solution available now, where the submenu with names has a fixed height and instead scrolls. Let me know if this doesn't work. This only solves Interviews page, but other pages with the sub menu will have the same problem if the screen resolution is too low. Would it not work if you specify a minimum hight of the page? This is one of the reasons I still trust Table based design, having just one huge table to outline the page container, and it is quite cross platform compatible. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)
On Feb 26, 2005, at 12:15 AM, Jari Williamsson wrote: I have a new solution available now, where the submenu with names has a fixed height and instead scrolls. Let me know if this doesn't work. Looks good to me. mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players
A-NO-NE Music wrote: So, it's not possible to do this with MP3 with XML interface? Most schools have computers these days, no? :-) In all the classrooms? A most definite NO. And while many of the music teachers are fine musicians, I have spoken with a rather large sampling in my area who haven't a clue how to do more than turn a computer on and surf the web and read e-mail. -- David H. Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OS X: Underline shortcuts in menus?
I was wondering if anyone happens to know of a utility/haxie that will allow automatic keyboard access to all menu items, a la Windows. Under OS 9 there is a wonderful little extension called PowerKeys that did this - it meant that rather than having to remember a myriad of Quickeys shortcuts, it was possible to navigate through the menus, learning the keystroke (if desired) as you went. There seem to be so many menu utilities for OS X, but I'm not managed to find one quite like this so far... The Panther shortcuts don't work for Select Partial Measures, which is driving me particularly crazy. TIA, Matthew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/02/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved... file info
Custom fields, custom fields, custom fields... I have been asking for this for years. Johannes shirling neueweise wrote: From: shirling neueweise dedications could be entered in a new file info entry box. by the way, any other suggestions for new file info fields? - dedication - composition date (often different from year of copyright assignment in published scores) - instrumentation and text inserts? - total page numbers (to allow for text such as page n of m) - part (eg. for top of p.2-end of extracted parts, uses name of extracted group or staff) -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool
On Feb 26, 2005, at 12:49 AM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: I've made changes to the toolbar mockup at http://maltedmedia.com/photos/toolbar.gif to reduce Playback and Duplicate buttons to icons, add Click and item number next to Attached to, add a justification droplist, and add a snap-to-grid checkbox. (For text boxes I would change the vertical/horizontal boxes to show their coordinates of text boxes.) In your tool bar mockup, where are the create and delete buttons for text expressions? These are such useful buttons in the present interface that I would hate to lose them. Also for the Page attachment, are we able to select page ranges, and discontiguous ranges at that? Once again, there is some excellent functionality in the present system. Or have I completely misunderstood again, and you are suggesting this toolbar IN ADDITION to the present dialogue box? Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
On Feb 26, 2005, at 1:05 AM, Don Hart wrote: Jari, Thanks for keeping up this website and for adding helpful things like the new interviews. I read through most of Tyler Turner's interview (I didn't realize the escape key did that!) and I thought I'd put out a general question about Simple Entry to the list: How many reading this have been converted from *midi* speedy note entry to the new and improved simple note entry by Finale's recent push in that direction? While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy, IMHO) and I am suitably impressed with it. I know Linda Worsley, among others, is a complete Simple Enterer, though she was long before the overhaul, and many of my students who lack MIDI keyboards use this too. Perhaps rather than converting people, it makes Finale easier and more attractive to people who might never use MIDI Speedy entry. One thing I have noticed is that percussion maps seem to behave differently in Simple than in Speedy, for some reason. I haven't worked out exactly what it is, but I get unexpected results with automatic X heads at times. When I have time to muddle through it and figure out the behaviour, I will report in. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
At 09:17 AM 2/26/05 -0500, Christopher Smith wrote: While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy I also use Speedy. In fact, as a funny aside: the Discovery Channel feature Deadly Women two weeks ago showed me entering part of the opera score into Finale via Speedy numeric keypad. :) The composition was re-staged for the camera, but anybody who knew Finale would recognize it immediately! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT: Browsers
At 12:37 AM + 2/26/05, Owain Sutton wrote: Simon Troup wrote: Go to http://maps.google.com and browse a few maps. No support for Safari. They need to do more homework. No support for Europe. They really need to do some work. I feel like the anti-Columbus, scrolling off into the unknown Looks real purdy in Netscape. John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool
At 09:09 AM 2/26/05 -0500, you wrote: In your tool bar mockup, where are the create and delete buttons for text expressions? These are such useful buttons in the present interface that I would hate to lose them. Just forgotten as I tried to focus on how to 'commonize' the other elements. Also for the Page attachment, are we able to select page ranges, and discontiguous ranges at that? No reason why not. (I'm mostly going for concept, trying to see what might work.) Or have I completely misunderstood again, and you are suggesting this toolbar IN ADDITION to the present dialogue box? I would say 'in addition'. Doesn't most complex software that uses active toolbars also include dialogs, menus, keystrokes, and (as in the case of sequencers) text definitions to do the same thing in different ways? A toolbar could come with the complete set of existing attributes assigned to the common tasks -- i.e., the 'default document' setup would be replicated in the toolbar to start with. Much information in Finale is both hidden and specialized to the point of (my) frustration, particularly when doing the diversity of scores I get. It's not all about a toolbar. I think of the questions asked here and look for solutions as if I were a Finale designer. Time signatures are among the questions, which is why I suggest including them as one of the text objects as such an obvious (to me!) solution. For example, a question that comes up regularly (for which I made a Maestro-based font set) is the stretched time signature. My solution turns the time signature into ordinary text with the ability to assign it temporal attributes -- so it can be stretched anywhere, even placed anywhere, and made out of anything. It wouldn't damage the 'default' attributes assigned to 4/4 or 6/8, for example, but it would open up fractional (as opposed to decimal) time signatures, stacked signatures (one above the other for explanatory purposes, even in different sizes), parenthetical signatures, inverted signatures (and clefs, too, for those Baroque canonical pieces), note-based demoninators, alternative numerical denominators (4/3), textual signatures, symbols (such as the circle for triple and the broken circle [as opposed to the c] for duple), or symbolic references. Does it trump the time signature dialog box? Not at all, if you like it. But the resulting time signature becomes a text object with attributes, appears on the toolbar, and can be changed from 4/4 to something like 4/4 [nb: 12/12] in a few keystrokes. Or vice versa. If you've used 3/4 and the editor later says they want O for a historical look, drop the list, edit the text using whatever font has the symbol, and you're done -- no hiding signatures and spacing for them, building expressions and applying them, etc. When using Finale, I always ask myself, Why is this hard? What would I do to make it easy? Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players
At 5:20 AM -0500 2/26/05, dhbailey wrote: A-NO-NE Music wrote: So, it's not possible to do this with MP3 with XML interface? Most schools have computers these days, no? :-) In all the classrooms? A most definite NO. And while many of the music teachers are fine musicians, I have spoken with a rather large sampling in my area who haven't a clue how to do more than turn a computer on and surf the web and read e-mail. NEVER assume (a) that classrooms are equipped with state-of-the-art--they never are; (b) that classrooms have more than a bare minimum of instructional technology available, if that; (c) that schools have maintenance and repair personnel to keep things working; or (d) that classroom teachers are well trained and up to date even in the applications they happen to have available. Many of the computers in classrooms around here are hand-me-downs from universities or businesses. Any developer who assumes state-of-the-art is doomed. It would not surprise me to find Apple IIs in some classrooms. Really! John -- John Susie Howell Virginia Tech Department of Music Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! (Do NOT miss this!!!)
d. collins wrote: The only question I'm interested in is if and when it will be fixed. How about contacting the management? MakeMusic is listed as NSADAQ: MMUS, try that to find the key people you might want to address. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
At 09:17 AM 02/26/2005, Christopher Smith wrote: While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy, IMHO) I recently bought a USB numeric keypad for just this reason. Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
on 2/26/05 1:48 AM, Jari Williamsson at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am, but I don't use a MIDI keyboard. I'd love to hear any details about your working method that you'd care to give up. BTW, I've modified the introduction text to Tyler's interview a little bit. He doesn't work at MM any more, and I don't think I was clear about that. I had picked up that fact. I guess I was applying guilt by previous association. :-) Tyler has also posted a great text about Simple Entry configuration on the Tips site's forum: http://www.finaletips.nu/forum/ He has a lot of compelling tips on note entry. From just reading about it, I think the process is too drastic for me to wade into, at least right now. But it has definitely peaked my curiosity, so maybe at some point. For users who are, perhaps, still in college, or otherwise still developing their working method, Simple Entry seems to be well worth serious consideration. Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: new and improved text tool
From: Christopher Smith My main worry with that sort of thing (and even with jef's basic idea to merge the tools) is that to get a type of expression that is different in function requires more mouse clicks. not necessarily, with the duplicate button, you actually reduce the number of mouse clicks, because the parameters (font and size, note and measure positioning, etc.) are copied. but the duplicated Text should appear directly below the Text it is a copy of, and the edit field should immediately be made available. As it stands now, the type and position of the mouse click determines the type of text expression (note- or measure-attached) while in the Text tool double-clicking and dragging automatically puts constraints on the size of the text box, which are things we need to set in both those cases. contextual assignment already exists for expressions, and to incorporate page-assignment shouldn't be difficult, for example, finale already recognizes different applications of the percentage tool depending on where you click. there will be user-definable default settings for the Text, including not only font and size, but also leading and all other text attributes (why this is not already the case escapes me...) and for the three manners of attaching it. contextual behaviour: - dblclick on note = note-attached; dblclick on measure = measure-attached; dblclick on page = page-attached. - option-dblclick on note/measure/page = brings up the Text List and automatically creates a new text (based on the default) with positioning assignment already selected according to the place the user clicked (note, measure, page); the user can immediately begin to type the new Text in the edit box. (dblclicking the handle of a Text already assigned in the score behaves same as current behaviour, edit box is immediately called up) - option-dblclick-drag = new Text with resizable frame (for note-, measure- and page-attached Texts! YAY!) which can be edited on page (as previously with text tool); once defined, dblclick the handle to edit on page, option-dblclick to edit in Text List. - option-shift-dblclick-drag = assigns existing Text with resizable frame, Text List is called up, user selects, hits enter, and is returned to the resizable Text box with the selected Text inserted. jef -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tips site update! AND a Simple Entry query
on 2/26/05 8:17 AM, Christopher Smith at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How many reading this have been converted from *midi* speedy note entry to the new and improved simple note entry by Finale's recent push in that direction? While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy, IMHO) and I am suitably impressed with it. I know Linda Worsley, among others, is a complete Simple Enterer, though she was long before the overhaul, and many of my students who lack MIDI keyboards use this too. Perhaps rather than converting people, it makes Finale easier and more attractive to people who might never use MIDI Speedy entry. Thanks for your take on things Christopher. I think the attractiveness of Simple to folks w/out midi is valid. I've used Speedy long enough now and in such a way that it has become an important part of my creative process. That's similar, if I recall correctly, to what Linda Worsley has written about her use of Simple. I've heard that MakeMusic is looking toward eventually combining the two tools (note entry methods). Maybe I'm not all the way to nervous, but that prospect makes me wonder about the outcome and how it would affect users like Linda and myself. It might just be my imagination, but MM's position on this seem's a bit calculated: short of proselytizing but preparing users for what could be coming. On the other hand, Finale, over the years, for the greater part, has allowed me to maintain use of the program in the way with which I'm comfortable. I think MM has to continue to be very smart about these sorts of things. Don Hart ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Simple Entry query
On Feb 26, 2005, at 6:17 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: While I am still a hard-core Speedy person, I am forced to use Simple on my laptop when I am away from my desktop computer (MIDI-less Speedy without a numeric keypad is rather clumsy, IMHO) and I am suitably impressed with it. I know Linda Worsley, among others, is a complete Simple Enterer, though she was long before the overhaul, and many of my students who lack MIDI keyboards use this too. Perhaps rather than converting people, it makes Finale easier and more attractive to people w Responding to Don Hart and Chris: The last couple of times I've seen Tom Johnson at the IAJE Convention, he has shown me how fast Simple w/MIDI keyboard is - especially when adding dynamics and articulations with metatools. Each time I have come home and tried it, and I find that it simply (sorry!) takes me more time to learn the new order of things than it does to go back to Speedy and get on with my work. I am not convinced I am right - just that I am an old dog. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OT - OS X question
For Mac gurus: I seem to remember that there's a way to make Adobe Acrobat documents open by default in Preview, but I can't remember how. Am I correct that this is possible. If so, how? TIA Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players
dhbailey / 05.2.26 / 05:20 AM wrote: In all the classrooms? A most definite NO. OK. And while many of the music teachers are fine musicians, I have spoken with a rather large sampling in my area who haven't a clue how to do more than turn a computer on and surf the web and read e-mail. Yeah, that's why I said XML interface, as in open web browser and just click. -- - Hiro Hiroaki Honshuku, A-NO-NE Music, Boston, MA http://a-no-ne.com http://anonemusic.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - OS X question
Ah yes. Thank you. Chuck On Feb 26, 2005, at 12:22 PM, Carlberg Jones wrote: At 12:14 PM -0800 2/26/05, Chuck Israels wrote: I seem to remember that there's a way to make Adobe Acrobat documents open by default in Preview, but I can't remember how. Am I correct that this is possible. If so, how? In Finder, Get Info - Command-I - on the selected file. You'll be given an option to Open With, with a number of options, with the default appearing first in the pull-down list. Once an application is selected, you're given the option to Change All, which will cause similar files to open with the chosed application. Carlberg Jones Guanajuato, Gto. MEXICO ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - OS X question
Chuck Israels writes: For Mac gurus: I seem to remember that there's a way to make Adobe Acrobat documents open by default in Preview, but I can't remember how. Am I correct that this is possible. If so, how? Chuck, Select one of your older Acrobat files and Get Info. In the panel you can choose which application will open that and similar files. However, from within Finale the User Manual will still open Acrobat Reader. If you have been using Acrobat 6, you have to wait and wait for the files to open. Now you can get Acrobat 7 which is MUCH faster to open those files. Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - OS X question
On Feb 26, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Harold Owen wrote: Chuck Israels writes: For Mac gurus: I seem to remember that there's a way to make Adobe Acrobat documents open by default in Preview, but I can't remember how. Am I correct that this is possible. If so, how? Chuck, Select one of your older Acrobat files and Get Info. In the panel you can choose which application will open that and similar files. However, from within Finale the User Manual will still open Acrobat Reader. If you have been using Acrobat 6, you have to wait and wait for the files to open. Now you can get Acrobat 7 which is MUCH faster to open those files. Hal Dear Hal, Done, thanks. I remember this now. I have Acrobat 7, and it is much faster, but Preview has features I find useful, (multiple pages in the sidebar) and it's quick too. Chuck Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players
On 26 Feb 2005 at 6:52, Owain Sutton wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: Actually, even with the players that don't have index forward/back buttons, if you turn on track display, it should display the index numbers. Huh? The cheap players I've mentioned earlier certainly dno't have that option. Any player that has both a track display and a time display option should show the indexes in the track display. Well, let me alter that: any player that uses the same display for tracks or time should display the indexes. My 1985 player has a button to switch from time to track display, displaying both in the 00:00 format. Of course, my Sony Walkman CD player has both track and time displayed, as in 00 00:00, so there's no possibility of displaying index numbers. But that player doesn't even have fast forward buttons, so it isn't really in the class of players that would be in a classroom. The fact that players in classrooms might be older may very well increase the likelihood of them having track advance buttons! -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: new and improved text tool
On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:46 AM, shirling neueweise wrote: there will be user-definable default settings for the Text, including not only font and size, but also leading and all other text attributes (why this is not already the case escapes me...) and for the three manners of attaching it. contextual behaviour: - dblclick on note = note-attached; dblclick on measure = measure-attached; dblclick on page = page-attached. - option-dblclick on note/measure/page = brings up the Text List and automatically creates a new text (based on the default) with positioning assignment already selected according to the place the user clicked (note, measure, page); the user can immediately begin to type the new Text in the edit box. (dblclicking the handle of a Text already assigned in the score behaves same as current behaviour, edit box is immediately called up) - option-dblclick-drag = new Text with resizable frame (for note-, measure- and page-attached Texts! YAY!) which can be edited on page (as previously with text tool); once defined, dblclick the handle to edit on page, option-dblclick to edit in Text List. - option-shift-dblclick-drag = assigns existing Text with resizable frame, Text List is called up, user selects, hits enter, and is returned to the resizable Text box with the selected Text inserted. jef That looks very good. I like the idea of being able to control parameters like that WITHOUT extra keystrokes, just changing where one clicks. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OS X: Underline shortcuts in menus?
On Feb 26, 2005, at 3:44 PM, A-NO-NE Music wrote: Meanwhile, OSX comes with a little helper. Just hit Ctrl+Shift+F2 (if nothing happens, hit Ctrl+Shift+F1 first then the feature is enabled). See you can navigate menus with arrow keys then hit [ENTER]. I don't like mousing and I got used to this way. May be this is the reason I don't use iKey much so I don't need to get frustrated with it :-) Oo, isn't this cute! I learn so much new here! Thanks Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Print Music 2005?
Is Finale Print Music up to 2005 version? If not, is it coming soon? I have Finale 2005 on the main Dept computer and was thinking of buying Printmusic for the 5 classroom iMacs, but I don't want incompatible versions. -- Rocky Road - in Oz Fleeing from the Cylon tyranny, the last Battlestar, Galactica, leads a ragtag, fugitive fleet, on a lonely quest, for a shining planet known as Earth. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tied note starting a coda
On 26 Feb 2005 at 16:38, Christopher Smith wrote: I know how to start a second ending with a tied note, but how do I start a coda with a tied note? The note in question is both tied over from the previous measure AND tied to the next measure, so my old kludge of tying it right then editing the tie in Special Tools to go backwards won't work. I don't understand why Ctrl-= wouldn't give you the backward tie., and why a CODA would be different from a 2nd ending. I just checked a file with a 2nd ending that has a tie to the previous measure, as well as a tie to the next note, and it works just fine using Ctrl-=. -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tied note starting a coda
On 26 Feb 2005, at 4:48 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 26 Feb 2005 at 16:38, Christopher Smith wrote: I know how to start a second ending with a tied note, but how do I start a coda with a tied note? The note in question is both tied over from the previous measure AND tied to the next measure, so my old kludge of tying it right then editing the tie in Special Tools to go backwards won't work. I don't understand why Ctrl-= wouldn't give you the backward tie., and why a CODA would be different from a 2nd ending. Well, it is, and there's no good reason for it. For reasons known only to Coda, backwards ties only work on 2nd endings. Chris, you will have to fake it with a manually tweaked slur or other such kludge. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tied note starting a coda
On Feb 26, 2005, at 4:48 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 26 Feb 2005 at 16:38, Christopher Smith wrote: I know how to start a second ending with a tied note, but how do I start a coda with a tied note? The note in question is both tied over from the previous measure AND tied to the next measure, so my old kludge of tying it right then editing the tie in Special Tools to go backwards won't work. I don't understand why Ctrl-= wouldn't give you the backward tie., and why a CODA would be different from a 2nd ending. I just checked a file with a 2nd ending that has a tie to the previous measure, as well as a tie to the next note, and it works just fine using Ctrl-=. I don't know why it should be different, either, but it doesn't work in Mac (opt = is the keystroke) unless it is the first note on beat 1 of the first measure of a second ending. Apparently there is some flag or other that is set for second endings, but I don't know why it has to be set. Bug report! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tied note starting a coda
On Feb 26, 2005, at 4:53 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 26 Feb 2005, at 4:48 PM, David W. Fenton wrote: On 26 Feb 2005 at 16:38, Christopher Smith wrote: I know how to start a second ending with a tied note, but how do I start a coda with a tied note? The note in question is both tied over from the previous measure AND tied to the next measure, so my old kludge of tying it right then editing the tie in Special Tools to go backwards won't work. I don't understand why Ctrl-= wouldn't give you the backward tie., and why a CODA would be different from a 2nd ending. Well, it is, and there's no good reason for it. For reasons known only to Coda, backwards ties only work on 2nd endings. Chris, you will have to fake it with a manually tweaked slur or other such kludge. - Darcy That's what I was afraid of. Actually, while I was waiting (five whole minutes, what took you guys so long?8-) ) I tried this: I took the 2nd tied note of the coda and added a forwards tie to it, going nowhere. I reversed that tie with Special Tool, to go backwards to the first note. I then reversed the tie on the first note to go backwards. Good thing this whole note wasn't tied over 12 measures! I would have had a lot of ties to mess around with! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] ETF or what?
I am an experiencedSibelius user, about to try and come to grips with Finale, of which at present I have the demo version of 2004. A Finale score has been sent me as an ETF. It appears good but the extracted parts are very badly laid out - huge spacing between staves - and will need considerable reformatting. It seems to me perverse to try and reformat in Sibelius (in which in any case some features, notably slurs, get mangled in translation). So I really ought to bite the bullet and learn to do it in Finale. Although the ETF file opens well in Finale, I assume I will get on better if I ask to be sent the file in its original format, which is some earlier version of Finale. I would be grateful for confirmation of this, and any other advice. john harding ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT - OS X question
Hi Finale listers, I recall some time ago on this list there was mention of a way to mark up an Acrobat document with user notes in the margins to highlight needed items and such. Can you do this with Acrobat 7, do you have to shell out bucks for Distiller to do this, or is there a simple utility that will do it? Thanks for any info Bonnie On Saturday, February 26, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Harold Owen wrote: Chuck Israels writes: For Mac gurus: I seem to remember that there's a way to make Adobe Acrobat documents open by default in Preview, but I can't remember how. Am I correct that this is possible. If so, how? Chuck, Select one of your older Acrobat files and Get Info. In the panel you can choose which application will open that and similar files. However, from within Finale the User Manual will still open Acrobat Reader. If you have been using Acrobat 6, you have to wait and wait for the files to open. Now you can get Acrobat 7 which is MUCH faster to open those files. Hal -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players
Rocky Road wrote: If you did it as an MP3 disc, the schools could play them on their DVD player. Actually, I do many of my classroom lessons straight off my iPod these days using playlists - we leave an aux-in plug to the HiFi available in the music rooms. These suggestions had me laughing out loud. If the problem is inadequate CD players, what's the chance of adequate DVD players being available? And the problem of knowledge of how to use anything beyond a CD has already been pointed out. PS: Would you believe there are still companies advertising cassettes as the only option for accompanying excerpts. I don't even know if our tape layer still works, its been so long. Would you believe there's schools that don't have a CD player in every classroom used for music lessons? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Wouldn't it be nice....clik--drag measure width?
I'm messing about with a whole load of aleatoric stuff, which I'm creating by all sorts of measures and independent time signatures, staff styles hiding barlines etc. Placing notes is no problem, I can move them wherever I want. It's placing repeat marks, around Lutoslawski-esque fragments, that I wish I had more control over. Is there a good reason for measure widths only being dealt with within an (inadequate) dialogue box? I'd love to be able to drag barlines to the left or right to adjust measures accordingly. Maybe I'm in la-la-land. Maybe it's a plugin opportunity. Maybe Sibelius already offers that option (and hey, I'd really prick my ears up to that). Any thoughts? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wouldn't it be nice....clik--drag measure width?
On 27 Feb 2005 at 0:27, Owain Sutton wrote: Is there a good reason for measure widths only being dealt with within an (inadequate) dialogue box? I'd love to be able to drag barlines to the left or right to adjust measures accordingly. Eh? Can't you do that already, when you have the measure tool selected? That's so simple I'm surely misunderstanding what you're asking about! -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re(2): [Finale] OT somewhat...CD players
I recently read (on ProSoundWeb, I think) a piece on how the CD standard is slipping in that manufacturers are not implementing all the features (such as indexes). This was in the context of CD mastering and that newer CD players may not honor the sizes of the gaps between tracks. **Leigh On Sat, Feb 26, 2005, Owain Sutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: Actually, even with the players that don't have index forward/back buttons, if you turn on track display, it should display the index numbers. Huh? The cheap players I've mentioned earlier certainly dno't have that option. (And whoever suggested doing the whole thing by computer - yes it'd be nice, but it's far from every classroom that has the computer the speaker system linked together.) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
At 15:22 26.02.2005, you wrote: When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. I isolated the drum part - still an empty space in Finale (2005b, also 2004). I changed the channel of all events - still empty (why?) I tried other midi files including a drum part - won't work. I searched Coda's site for help - nothing to be found Why can Finale import no drum parts? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Moving groups
To the group wisdom: If I once knew how to do this, I have forgotten now. Could not find help in the User Manual. WinFin 2004. Full score of 8 groups. One system on each page. On the last six pages need to move down the next to the bottom group. I want to maintain the spacing between that group and the bottom group. Hope this is clearly stated. The process is probably quite simple but my mind is a blank. TIA Ken Fowler ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Moving groups
If I read query correctly; Page layout tool, click'n'drag nominated group, group below should move same. Trust I haven't mis-read. Good luck, Cheer Keith in OZ Keith Helgesen. Director of Music, Canberra City Band. Ph: (02) 62910787. Band Mob. 0436-620587 Private Mob 0417-042171 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of D. Keneth Fowler Sent: Sunday, 27 February 2005 1:30 PM To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: [Finale] Moving groups To the group wisdom: If I once knew how to do this, I have forgotten now. Could not find help in the User Manual. WinFin 2004. Full score of 8 groups. One system on each page. On the last six pages need to move down the next to the bottom group. I want to maintain the spacing between that group and the bottom group. Hope this is clearly stated. The process is probably quite simple but my mind is a blank. TIA Ken Fowler ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.0 - Release Date: 25/02/2005 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Dear List, With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? The advantages of voices are clear: 1) You can execute them on the fly in the middle of a measure. 2) You have complete control over stem direction and rest placement based on cursor location. The only situations that I use layers are: 1) Drum set or single-staff/multi-player percussion parts. 2) Lead sheets in which the melodic rhythm differs from the harmonic rhythm (e.g. the melody holds a whole note, but there are four different chord changes while it sustains). Can anyone think of any other common musical situations in which layers are more useful than voices? Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] OSX Lyric Slowdown!!!
Dear List, I have been working on a Finale 2004 transcription project in MacOS 10.2.4 that simply involves a vocal staff with lyrics and 2 staves of piano. I have found that the only way I can get any usable speed is to enter all the notes in the vocal first and then go back and enter all the lyrics. If I try to edit the vocal staff after *ANY* lyrics have been entered, my 800MHz PowerBook G4 acts like my old 25Mhz Mac IIcx did during a major mass-mover operation in Finale 3.0 -- in other words, it's slower than molasses! Finale 2003 in OS 9.2.2 is *WAAAYY* faster than this! What's up? Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On Feb 27, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Brian Williams wrote: Dear List, With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? Can anyone think of any other common musical situations in which layers are more useful than voices? I use Finale 2005 to arrange and compose vocal music with a few accompanying instruments. I've never tried it the way you use it, but by using layers I have an advantage in terms of lyric placement when SATB is divisi (sometimes tri-visi) for choral scores, particularly when as many as 8 voicings can be on a different syllable of text. Another advantage (and using voices may do the same) is that it becomes fairly easy to assign one particular layer a playback instrument which isolates it from the mud of other instruments to let a singer hear and practice a part using Finale Notepad. It also allows me to concentrate on one voice at a time in playback for corrections. Layer colors make each part easier to follow when vocal lines cross. It also allows me to use a customized text size for sight-impaired singers. What I hate about it is that I cannot globally remove or add only one layer from the staff. I've never scored using the technique you describe so it may be that one can do all of the above using that method. When I have time I'll explore it. Cindy Pribble ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
