Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:50 PM, Cindy Pribble wrote: What I hate about it is that I cannot globally remove or add only one layer from the staff. I'm not sure I'm understanding your objection here. Doesn't it work to choose select active layer only from the menu, then select the entire staff to clear or copy or whatever? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
On Feb 26, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: At 15:22 26.02.2005, you wrote: When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. I isolated the drum part - still an empty space in Finale (2005b, also 2004). I changed the channel of all events - still empty (why?) I tried other midi files including a drum part - won't work. I searched Coda's site for help - nothing to be found Why can Finale import no drum parts? Kurt I didn't answer because I've never run across this. Finale imports all of my drum parts perfectly (well, normally, anyhow!) You can even specify a percussion map like General Midi Input so that the low C2 for bass drum shows up correctly on the first space, etc. I'm afraid this might be a question for tech support. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] OSX Lyric Slowdown!!!
On Feb 27, 2005, at 12:18 AM, Brian Williams wrote: Dear List, I have been working on a Finale 2004 transcription project in MacOS 10.2.4 that simply involves a vocal staff with lyrics and 2 staves of piano. I have found that the only way I can get any usable speed is to enter all the notes in the vocal first and then go back and enter all the lyrics. If I try to edit the vocal staff after *ANY* lyrics have been entered, my 800MHz PowerBook G4 acts like my old 25Mhz Mac IIcx did during a major mass-mover operation in Finale 3.0 -- in other words, it's slower than molasses! Finale 2003 in OS 9.2.2 is *WAAAYY* faster than this! What's up? Brian You are right, this is a huge slowdown in FinMac 2004 when lyrics are involved. The slowness of this version caused me to abandon that version altogether, reverting to 2003 under OS9 and switching to OSX only when 2005 came out. This can help. Make sure you have the latest update of 2004. Under Program OptionsViewUpdate Smart Hyphens and Word Extensions, click Manually. Then everything looks wonky (no hyphens at all, word extensions all over the place) until you manually update them, which you can do just before printing from the Edit Menu. Turning off Automatic Update Layout helps, too, as well as Automatic Music Spacing and Human Playback. Turning off the Message bar reportedly helps, too, though I don't do that. The general slowness is much improved in FinMac 2005, but I still have the smart word extensions turned off, as well as Human Playback. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Brian Williams wrote: With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? The advantages of voices are clear: 1) You can execute them on the fly in the middle of a measure. I don't understand this statement. In Simple Entry you _can_ enter layers on the fly in the middle of a measure (which you can't with Speedy). Just select the note where you want the layer to start (in an existing layer), switch layer and enter the notes. 2) You have complete control over stem direction and rest placement based on cursor location. I'm not sure I floow you here. Could you give an example? Best regards, Jari Williamssom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Brian Williams wrote: With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? The advantages of voices are clear: 1) You can execute them on the fly in the middle of a measure. I don't understand this statement. In Simple Entry you _can_ enter layers on the fly in the middle of a measure (which you can't with Speedy). Just select the note where you want the layer to start (in an existing layer), switch layer and enter the notes. 2) You have complete control over stem direction and rest placement based on cursor location. I'm not sure I follow you here. Could you give an example? Best regards, Jari Williamssom ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
Greetings! I'm new to the list (though not to Finale) and have a question about swing playback. I scanned music, converted it to MusicXML format using SharpEye, then imported it into Finale 2005for editing. The music contains standard triplets, dotted 8th/16th combinations, and pairs of regular eighth notes. I ultimately want to save the Finale score as a MIDI file that will play back as follows: --standard triplets: as written --dotted 8th/16th combinations: as swing eighths (2:1)instead of as written (3:1) --regular eighths: as swing eighths (2:1) instead of as written (1:1) I have much experience using the playback swing settings to play notated regular eighths as swing eighths, which carries overfinewhen files are saved as MIDI. However, I'm not experienced with altering the playback of the dotted 8th/16th combinations without having to change the notation. I have fiddled with the Human Playback features that would seem to be relevant, but they do not change that playback rhythm from the notated 3:1 to the desired 2:1. Alternatively, if playbacktechniques will not work, would appreciate your advice on whether you can change a rhythmic figure (dotted 8th/16th)globally when thepitches are not the same throughout. Thanks very much. Kathryn Schneider, J.D.Musical Director, City Bar ChorusNew York Citye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tied note starting a coda
On Feb 26, 2005, at 4:38 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: Greetings collected wisdom. I know how to start a second ending with a tied note, but how do I start a coda with a tied note? The note in question is both tied over from the previous measure AND tied to the next measure, so my old kludge of tying it right then editing the tie in Special Tools to go backwards won't work. Create a unison in a second layer, tie both notes and kludge one of them. Andrew Stiller Kallisti Music Press http://home.netcom.com/~kallisti/ ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Fwd: READ THIS FIRST: Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
Please do not post the message I just sent. I would like toresend it with my e-mail address indicated differently to reduce my future spam. I will do the resend shortly. Thanks! ---BeginMessage--- Greetings! I'm new to the list (though not to Finale) and have a question about swing playback. I scanned music, converted it to MusicXML format using SharpEye, then imported it into Finale 2005for editing. The music contains standard triplets, dotted 8th/16th combinations, and pairs of regular eighth notes. I ultimately want to save the Finale score as a MIDI file that will play back as follows: --standard triplets: as written --dotted 8th/16th combinations: as swing eighths (2:1)instead of as written (3:1) --regular eighths: as swing eighths (2:1) instead of as written (1:1) I have much experience using the playback swing settings to play notated regular eighths as swing eighths, which carries overfinewhen files are saved as MIDI. However, I'm not experienced with altering the playback of the dotted 8th/16th combinations without having to change the notation. I have fiddled with the Human Playback features that would seem to be relevant, but they do not change that playback rhythm from the notated 3:1 to the desired 2:1. Alternatively, if playbacktechniques will not work, would appreciate your advice on whether you can change a rhythmic figure (dotted 8th/16th)globally when thepitches are not the same throughout. Thanks very much. Kathryn Schneider, J.D.Musical Director, City Bar ChorusNew York Citye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---End Message--- ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Most of the time I use layers, but there are times when voices work well. I like the advantage of adding a second voice above or below the existing voice when the divisi is short. You control the stem direction by the position of the cursor (insertion point). If it's below the original note, then the new note will have a down stem. If it's above the cursor, the new note will have an up stem. Hal Owen Brian Williams writes: Dear List, With regard to simple entry, does anyone else other than me prefer to use voices instead of layers to indicate secondary/contrapuntal musical elements? The advantages of voices are clear: 1) You can execute them on the fly in the middle of a measure. 2) You have complete control over stem direction and rest placement based on cursor location. The only situations that I use layers are: 1) Drum set or single-staff/multi-player percussion parts. 2) Lead sheets in which the melodic rhythm differs from the harmonic rhythm (e.g. the melody holds a whole note, but there are four different chord changes while it sustains). Can anyone think of any other common musical situations in which layers are more useful than voices? Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Harold Owen 2830 Emerald St., Eugene, OR 97403 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit my web site at: http://uoregon.edu/~hjowen FAX: (509) 461-3608 ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Interesting...?
Hello! When looking at the referrals to Finale tips site (to see where the traffic comes from/goes to), I get quite a couple of hits from this site: http://beta.sibelius.com/cgi-bin//chat/chat.pl And the referrals from this site started on the very same day I announced the reviews and Hall of Fame. Interesting...? Or not. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Interesting...?
Doesn't surprise me at all. But competition is good. I actually hope the hall of fame is going to be extended (and thanks Jari for the kind words about my work, I may extend the examples page with examples of my custom music font - not for sale, just to make that clear). Perhaps we will soon see a similar page of Sibelius examples. Which I think would be a good thing. Johannes Jari Williamsson wrote: Hello! When looking at the referrals to Finale tips site (to see where the traffic comes from/goes to), I get quite a couple of hits from this site: http://beta.sibelius.com/cgi-bin//chat/chat.pl And the referrals from this site started on the very same day I announced the reviews and Hall of Fame. Interesting...? Or not. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- http://www.musikmanufaktur.com http://www.camerata-berolinensis.de ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
Ok ... I'm a tyro on this one ... how does one activate the voices function. I've always used layers, didn't know there was an option. Dean On Feb 27, 2005, at 12:19 AM, Mark D Lew wrote: On Feb 26, 2005, at 11:50 PM, Cindy Pribble wrote: What I hate about it is that I cannot globally remove or add only one layer from the staff. I'm not sure I'm understanding your objection here. Doesn't it work to choose select active layer only from the menu, then select the entire staff to clear or copy or whatever? mdl ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale There are some people, I suspect, who would feel obscurely cheated if, when they finally arrived in heaven, they found everybody else there as well. Heaven would not be heaven unless those who reached it could peer over the celestial parapets and watch other unfortunates roasting below. Karen Armstrong Dean M. Estabrook Retired Church Musician Composer, Arranger Adjudicator Amateur Golfer ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Feb 2005 at 16:00, Jari Williamsson wrote: I don't understand this statement. In Simple Entry you _can_ enter layers on the fly in the middle of a measure (which you can't with Speedy). Just select the note where you want the layer to start (in an existing layer), switch layer and enter the notes. Does it put in rests to fill up the space in the layer before the point where you switched layers? Yes. And hides those rests. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Layers vs. Voices
On 27 Feb 2005 at 20:42, Jari Williamsson wrote: David W. Fenton wrote: On 27 Feb 2005 at 16:00, Jari Williamsson wrote: I don't understand this statement. In Simple Entry you _can_ enter layers on the fly in the middle of a measure (which you can't with Speedy). Just select the note where you want the layer to start (in an existing layer), switch layer and enter the notes. Does it put in rests to fill up the space in the layer before the point where you switched layers? Yes. And hides those rests. Well, that's useful, but it's not enough for me to put up with all the other problems of Simple Entry. Of course, I'm not on the latest version (WinFin2K3). -- David W. Fentonhttp://www.bway.net/~dfenton David Fenton Associateshttp://www.bway.net/~dfassoc ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Kurt, Which sequencing software are you exporting (or save as midi file) out of? Perhaps the problem is with the export? -K Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Christopher, thanks for the answer. I could send you some midi files that won't work for me - maybe they will work for you? Kurt At 12:34 27.02.2005, you wrote: On Feb 26, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: At 15:22 26.02.2005, you wrote: When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. I isolated the drum part - still an empty space in Finale (2005b, also 2004). I changed the channel of all events - still empty (why?) I tried other midi files including a drum part - won't work. I searched Coda's site for help - nothing to be found Why can Finale import no drum parts? Kurt I didn't answer because I've never run across this. Finale imports all of my drum parts perfectly (well, normally, anyhow!) You can even specify a percussion map like General Midi Input so that the low C2 for bass drum shows up correctly on the first space, etc. I'm afraid this might be a question for tech support. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wouldn't it be nice....clik--drag measure width?
Hi Owain, It's placing repeat marks, around Lutoslawski-esque fragments, that I wish I had more control over. I have both left and right repeat marks created as shape expression that I use for some of the aleatoric music that I work on. Gives me a little more flexibility in moving things around. Sounds like you are working on some challenging and fun stuff! -Karen ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
I was using midifiles I had downloaded from the net. When it didn't work, I experimented using Nuendo, saving and changing channels etc. Kurt At 22:12 27.02.2005, you wrote: Kurt, Which sequencing software are you exporting (or save as midi file) out of? Perhaps the problem is with the export? -K Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OSX Lyric Slowdown!!!
Brian Williams wrote: it's slower than molasses! Finale 2003 in OS 9.2.2 is *WAAAYY* faster than this! What's up? christopher gave you some tricks, i would just add the following: write a note to makemusic to let them know that you are disappointed at the (general) sluggish behaviour since F2004, and that you wish them to rectify the situation. jef -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wouldn't it be nice....clik--drag measure width?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Owain, It's placing repeat marks, around Lutoslawski-esque fragments, that I wish I had more control over. I have both left and right repeat marks created as shape expression that I use for some of the aleatoric music that I work on. Gives me a little more flexibility in moving things around. Sounds like you are working on some challenging and fun stuff! -Karen That sounds interesting..I'm afraid I've never come to terms with the shape expression tool. Both the interface and the implementation seem to be stuck in the late 1980s (along with nonstandard key signatures, my pet gripe). Of course, I'm not criticising anybody who successfully does such things with the tool - I just can't imagine the time it could take to create something such as a repeat mark (identical to the default one). If you know any handy tricks, please share! (And yes, it's proving kind-of-fascinating - string quartet and puppeteer - hardly Walter Piston territory) ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] LED music stand light!
Friends, I just got back from the ASTA conference (American String Teacher's Association) in Reno. While there I bought four LED music stand lights. The lights are bright, runs on three AAA batteries, it folds up to a pretty small package, and if the salesperson is to be believed, it can run 18 continuous hours on one set of batteries. (For those planning to make regular use of this device, you may want to use rechargeable batteries). An AC adapter is available (I didn't see a price), though the point of something like this is that you don't need one. It's silver (yech!) and plastic, so be careful not to crush. I look forward to using them on my next low-light gig (string quartets). The web address for this light is: http://goldcrestinc.com/LED-Sell%20Sheet-72%5B1%5D.htm If that doesn't take you where you want to go, start at their home page: http://goldcrestinc.com/ Oh yes, they were selling them at the conference for $20 each. Since I was getting four, he gave me four for the price of three. Nice guy. Can you get that? Don't know. Happy shopping. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: OSX Lyrics Slowdown!!!
Thanks, Christopher, for the help. Personally, I much prefer to use 2005, but the @#$%*! composer I'm working for hasn't upgraded yet and needs the project in 2004 format. This would definitely be a great situation to have *BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY OF FILES*! (for all you MakeMusic lurkers out there). g Brian ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LED music stand light!
On the same token, I think it was Darcy who was looking for some music stands, cheap and light? This might be too late, A friend of mine brought her new RMM stand to the gig, $25 very light, stable, and can hold a book. They sell them at Southwest Strings. Let me know if you need a URL. steve On Feb 27, 2005, at 6:24 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: Friends, I just got back from the ASTA conference (American String Teacher's Association) in Reno. While there I bought four LED music stand lights. The lights are bright, runs on three AAA batteries, it folds up to a pretty small package, and if the salesperson is to be believed, it can run 18 continuous hours on one set of batteries. (For those planning to make regular use of this device, you may want to use rechargeable batteries). An AC adapter is available (I didn't see a price), though the point of something like this is that you don't need one. It's silver (yech!) and plastic, so be careful not to crush. I look forward to using them on my next low-light gig (string quartets). The web address for this light is: http://goldcrestinc.com/LED-Sell%20Sheet-72%5B1%5D.htm If that doesn't take you where you want to go, start at their home page: http://goldcrestinc.com/ Oh yes, they were selling them at the conference for $20 each. Since I was getting four, he gave me four for the price of three. Nice guy. Can you get that? Don't know. Happy shopping. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: OSX Lyrics Slowdown!!!
Personally, I much prefer to use 2005, but the @#$%*! composer I'm working for hasn't upgraded yet and needs the project in 2004 format. This would definitely be a great situation to have *BACKWARD COMPATIBILITY OF FILES*! (for all you MakeMusic lurkers out there). Brian Here is a technique by which you can convert FinWin2005 files into 2004 ones: 1. Save the 2005 file as ETF. 2. In Finale 2004 save a 'New document without libraries' as ETF. 3. Open the 2004 file in Notepad and copy the first 30 lines. 4. Open the 2005 file in Notepad and replace the first 30 lines with the copied ones. 5. Save the 2005 file. 6. Open it in Finale 2004. I just did this with a file that has many articulations and expressions. All appear on first perusal to be perfect. Trying this from 2004 to 2003 was problematic as layers were shifted up one number and so layer four was lost. 2005 to 2004 does not seem to have that problem. Richard Yates ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: [OT] font order jumbled in OSX
andrew (and others) i think the system update did it, as far as i can tell, the characters all appear now as they should. jef From: Andrew Stiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...all the special noteheads had been jumbled in the way described. An explanation/solution would be most welcome. andrew, i just upgraded to 10.3.6 and then 10.3.7, and in searching to see just what was different in the versions found this (for 10.3.6 updater): -- http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=300080 About the Mac OS X 10.3.6 Update Other * Resolves a situation in which incorrect characters could show up for some fonts. -- i haven't yet had a chance to piddle around with the font i had problems with to see if my font issue is resolved with this update, might do that in the next couple of days and will report back. -- shirling neueweise \/ new music notation specialists mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :.../ http://newmusicnotation.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] LED music stand light!
Hi Steve, Andrew, I haven't bought either the lights or the stands yet. Andrew Levin's LED light is the cheapest one I've seen -- I will definitely look into that one. And any additional portable stand rec's would be great. Bring on the URLs. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 27 Feb 2005, at 8:23 PM, Steve Gibons wrote: On the same token, I think it was Darcy who was looking for some music stands, cheap and light? This might be too late, A friend of mine brought her new RMM stand to the gig, $25 very light, stable, and can hold a book. They sell them at Southwest Strings. Let me know if you need a URL. steve On Feb 27, 2005, at 6:24 PM, Andrew Levin wrote: Friends, I just got back from the ASTA conference (American String Teacher's Association) in Reno. While there I bought four LED music stand lights. The lights are bright, runs on three AAA batteries, it folds up to a pretty small package, and if the salesperson is to be believed, it can run 18 continuous hours on one set of batteries. (For those planning to make regular use of this device, you may want to use rechargeable batteries). An AC adapter is available (I didn't see a price), though the point of something like this is that you don't need one. It's silver (yech!) and plastic, so be careful not to crush. I look forward to using them on my next low-light gig (string quartets). The web address for this light is: http://goldcrestinc.com/LED-Sell%20Sheet-72%5B1%5D.htm If that doesn't take you where you want to go, start at their home page: http://goldcrestinc.com/ Oh yes, they were selling them at the conference for $20 each. Since I was getting four, he gave me four for the price of three. Nice guy. Can you get that? Don't know. Happy shopping. Andrew Levin ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
On Feb 27, 2005, at 11:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings! I'm new to the list (though not to Finale) and have a question about swing playback. I scanned music, converted it to MusicXML format using SharpEye, then imported it into Finale 2005 for editing. The music contains standard triplets, dotted 8th/16th combinations, and pairs of regular eighth notes. I ultimately want to save the Finale score as a MIDI file that will play back as follows: --standard triplets: as written --dotted 8th/16th combinations: as swing eighths (2:1) instead of as written (3:1) --regular eighths: as swing eighths (2:1) instead of as written (1:1) I have much experience using the playback swing settings to play notated regular eighths as swing eighths, which carries over fine when files are saved as MIDI. However, I'm not experienced with altering the playback of the dotted 8th/16th combinations without having to change the notation. I have fiddled with the Human Playback features that would seem to be relevant, but they do not change that playback rhythm from the notated 3:1 to the desired 2:1. Alternatively, if playback techniques will not work, would appreciate your advice on whether you can change a rhythmic figure (dotted 8th/16th) globally when the pitches are not the same throughout. Thanks very much. Kathryn Schneider, J.D. Musical Director, City Bar Chorus New York City e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Part of the problem is the notation you are dealing with; writing swing rhythms as dotted-eighth/sixteenth is a very old notation, and you almost never see it any more in modern works. Unless the arranger or editor is adhering to a fifty-year-old convention, jazz rhythms are written most clearly these days as ordinary eighths. When notated that way, Finale can put any amount of swing you want on the eighths, just in the Playback window controls, while playing back triplets as written. I'm not sure how it deals with dotted-eighth/sixteenths in that situation, but I assume that it is not acceptable to you. I would not imagine that it plays them back as triplets. I am far from being a fan of Human Playback, but this seems like it might work (not tested by me.) First of all, try applying Human Playback in the Playback window. Use the jazz setting. If this is no good (I suspect it only applies to eighths, not your dotted-eight/sixteenths) try this: In Mass Edit, select all. Under Plugins>New for 2005, select Apply Human Playback. Click Apply Specific Elements. Click More Settings: Select. I think what you are looking for is Adjust 8th and Dotted 16th/Triplet. This does not seem to be correctly named, but no matter. If the default doesn't do what you want, try messing around with these settings. You will probably get a message at some point telling you to set Human Playback to none. Go ahead and click OK. Hope this helps. Also read the manual - Chapter 39: Playback under Swing Playback. If this doesn't work, you can export a MIDI file from Finale, import it into a full-fledged sequencing program, apply one of the logical edits (depends on the program how it is implemented) to only shift 4th sixteenths a sixteenth earlier. Re-import the file into Finale, where all those dotted-eight/sixteenths will now be even eighths, and apply Swing from the playback window. All should be well, except that the playback file will look hopeless. No matter, it is only for playback! By the way, you didn't ask, but the swing feel might be more realistic at a tempo faster than medium slow if you ask for a SMALLER percentage swing than even the light swing setting gives you. You can experiment with different values in the Playback control window. Pure triplets tends to sound real hokey except at the slowest tempos. Christopher___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
If you'd like, you can send them to me off list...I'd be curious to see what is going on with these particular midi files... -K I was using midifiles I had downloaded from the net. When it didn't work, I experimented using Nuendo, saving and changing channels etc. Kurt At 22:12 27.02.2005, you wrote: Kurt, Which sequencing software are you exporting (or save as midi file) out of? Perhaps the problem is with the export? -K Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Kurt, Give it a try. I'll check them out, and report back. Christopher On Feb 27, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: Christopher, thanks for the answer. I could send you some midi files that won't work for me - maybe they will work for you? Kurt At 12:34 27.02.2005, you wrote: On Feb 26, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: At 15:22 26.02.2005, you wrote: When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. I isolated the drum part - still an empty space in Finale (2005b, also 2004). I changed the channel of all events - still empty (why?) I tried other midi files including a drum part - won't work. I searched Coda's site for help - nothing to be found Why can Finale import no drum parts? Kurt I didn't answer because I've never run across this. Finale imports all of my drum parts perfectly (well, normally, anyhow!) You can even specify a percussion map like General Midi Input so that the low C2 for bass drum shows up correctly on the first space, etc. I'm afraid this might be a question for tech support. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
