Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Anne Erickson]

Inkjet output is fine as long as it never comes in contact with water

> On Apr 29, 2018, at 11:37 AM, timothy price  wrote:
> 
> This printer maxes out at 8.5 x 14 in   just so people are aware... what 
> composer would want it?
> 
> tim
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 29, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:
>> 
>> Ugh, why not just buy a new printer
>> 
>> https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer
>> 
>> 1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on 
>> electricity bills compared to that tank 5000 printer
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[timothy price]

This printer maxes out at 8.5 x 14 in   just so people are aware... what 
composer would want it?

tim


  
On Apr 29, 2018, at 4:45 AM, Eric Dannewitz wrote:

> Ugh, why not just buy a new printer
> 
> https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer
> 
> 1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on electricity 
> bills compared to that tank 5000 printer

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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Robert Patterson]

Yes, if you only need to go up to 11x17, you have lots of options. The
printers I looked at had to go to 12x18 and 13x20 would have been beter.

On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 8:32 AM, David H. Bailey 
wrote:

> On 4/29/2018 8:20 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:
>
>> If you are offset-printing books, 600dpi is probably not good enough. But
>> I
>> never print books. Any printer that would offset books from my work almost
>> certainly would do it from a PDF. FWIW: the only situation I can spot the
>> difference is on hairpins.
>>
>> I did not consider ink jet printers. They are far too slow. There is a
>> Brother inkjet that will actually feed 13" wide sheets, but each page
>> takes
>> several minutes.
>>
>>
> My Epson WorkForce WF-7620 doesn't take that long.  It's an inkjet printer
> which printes beautiful output, it can handle 11x17 paper with no problems,
> it duplexes automatically, it scans up to tabloid size. And it's only
> around $200 if you're lucky enough to find it on sale at Staples or Office
> Depot.  I've been using mine for 3 years now and it's great.  Advances in
> ink technology have helped a lot -- once dry the ink won't run if a few
> water drops get on it and get wiped off.
>
>
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[David H. Bailey]

On 4/29/2018 8:20 AM, Robert Patterson wrote:

If you are offset-printing books, 600dpi is probably not good enough. But I
never print books. Any printer that would offset books from my work almost
certainly would do it from a PDF. FWIW: the only situation I can spot the
difference is on hairpins.

I did not consider ink jet printers. They are far too slow. There is a
Brother inkjet that will actually feed 13" wide sheets, but each page takes
several minutes.



My Epson WorkForce WF-7620 doesn't take that long.  It's an inkjet 
printer which printes beautiful output, it can handle 11x17 paper with 
no problems, it duplexes automatically, it scans up to tabloid size. 
And it's only around $200 if you're lucky enough to find it on sale at 
Staples or Office Depot.  I've been using mine for 3 years now and it's 
great.  Advances in ink technology have helped a lot -- once dry the ink 
won't run if a few water drops get on it and get wiped off.



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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Robert Patterson]

If you are offset-printing books, 600dpi is probably not good enough. But I
never print books. Any printer that would offset books from my work almost
certainly would do it from a PDF. FWIW: the only situation I can spot the
difference is on hairpins.

I did not consider ink jet printers. They are far too slow. There is a
Brother inkjet that will actually feed 13" wide sheets, but each page takes
several minutes.


On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 3:45 AM, Eric Dannewitz 
wrote:

> Ugh, why not just buy a new printer
>
> https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer
>
> 1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on
> electricity bills compared to that tank 5000 printer
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Apr 28, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Williams, Jim <
> jwilli...@franklincollege.edu> wrote:
> >
> > Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed &
> matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could
> swear it’s 1200 dpi...
> > Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a
> good fix?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> >
> >> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer
> Information”.  I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the
> side of the printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find
> it automatically.
> >>
> >> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new
> printer, a cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> >>
> >> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am
> still using the HP.
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >>
> >>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson <
> rob...@robertgpatterson.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
> >>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
> >>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have
> some
> >>> further suggestions.
> >>>
> >>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall
> it. It
> >>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But
> it
> >>> still might work.
> >>>
> >>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from
> there.
> >>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which
> ceased to
> >>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage
> patterns,
> >>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a
> print
> >>> job.
> >>>
> >>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
> >>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I
> can go
> >>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not
> super-fast,
> >>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had
> been
> >>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that
> one
> >>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for
> adding
> >>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier
> than I
> >>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try
> to
> >>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
> >>>
> >>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has
> an
> >>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
> >>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
> >>> almost no additional cost.
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu 
> wrote:
> 
>  Hello all,
>  I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>  great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so,
> in
>  essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser
> printer.
> 
>  I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the
> last
>  system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer
> found.
> 
>  Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced
> the
>  same problem and has a solution?
> 
>  Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
>  that can print up to 12x18?
> 
>  Hoping for help!
> 
>  David Froom
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Eric Dannewitz]

Ugh, why not just buy a new printer

https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-laserjet-pro-m203dw-printer

1200 dpi and can be bought for $120 or so. Probably would save on electricity 
bills compared to that tank 5000 printer

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Williams, Jim  
> wrote:
> 
> Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
> matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
> it’s 1200 dpi...
> Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good 
> fix? 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
>> 
>> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
>> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
>> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
>> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
>> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
>> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
>> automatically.
>> 
>> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
>> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
>> 
>> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
>> using the HP.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>>> further suggestions.
>>> 
>>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>>> still might work.
>>> 
>>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>>> job.
>>> 
>>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>>> 
>>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>>> almost no additional cost.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
 
 Hello all,
 I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
 great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
 essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
 
 I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
 system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
 
 Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
 same problem and has a solution?
 
 Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
 that can print up to 12x18?
 
 Hoping for help!
 
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>> 
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>> Portland OR 97202
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Lee Actor]

The HP 5000 is indeed 1200 dpi.  I don't consider 600 dpi good enough for 
publishable-quality music -- e.g., aliasing (stairstepping) is visible on 
angled beams and cresc./decresc.

I had a lot of problems with jamming when I had a duplexer for my HP 5000 
(ultimately I returned it).  I bought a refurbished unit in 2004, and it 
wouldn't duplex 11x17 at all.  You may remember Andrew Stiller, who was a 
frequent contributor to the Finale mailing list before he passed away; he had a 
lot of experience with the HP 5000 duplexer and advised cleaning the rollers 
with alcohol, which did help.  According to Andrew -- I think he had gone 
through 2 duplexers at that point -- the duplexer works fine when new, but 
deteriorates significantly over time, until after a couple of years of heavy 
use it won't work at all (even cleaning the rollers didn't help at that point). 
 Since a new unit was unavailable even in 2004, I chalked it up to a flawed 
design and went back to manual duplexing.

I hope HP has learned to make more reliable duplexers over the years.  The one 
in my HP M712DN does seem much more "industrial strength" than the HP 5000 
duplexer, and I've been using it for more than 2 years without a single jam.  
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

-Lee

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From: Finale [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of Williams, Jim
Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2018 7:53 AM
To: finale@shsu.edu
Subject: Re: [Finale] printing advice

Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
it’s 1200 dpi...
Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good fix? 

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
> automatically.
> 
> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> 
> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
> using the HP.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>> further suggestions.
>> 
>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>> still might work.
>> 
>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>> job.
>> 
>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>> 
>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>> almost no additional cost.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
>>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>>> 
>>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
>>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
>>> same problem and has a solution?
>>> 
>>> Or, perhaps, 

Re: [Finale] printing advice

[Williams, Jim]

Isn’t the 5000 a 1200 dpi printer? I bought two of them for $25, mixed & 
matched parts, replaced one separator pad and got a workhorse. I could swear 
it’s 1200 dpi...
Does anyone have trouble with the duplexer jamming? If so, is there a good fix? 

Sent from my iPhone, so please pardon all the typos.

> On Apr 28, 2018, at 10:10 AM, Chuck Israels  wrote:
> 
> And I forgot another thing: there is a way (in the menus on the printer 
> settings) to have the printer print a page that has its IP address (it 
> sometimes randomly generates a new one). Don’t remember where that is, but 
> there is printer setting that prints out a page with "Printer Information”.  
> I keep a copy of the IP address it prints out taped to the side of the 
> printer so I can tell the Mac where it is, if it doesn’t find it 
> automatically.
> 
> Every time something like this happens and I think I need a new printer, a 
> cure turns up and the HP 5000N soldiers on.
> 
> For B large format — others have recommended a Ricoh model, but I am still 
> using the HP.
> 
> Chuck
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2018, at 6:57 AM, Robert Patterson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think Chuck's suggestion of dropping and re-adding the printer is the
>> right first step. It looks like HP has stopped supporting the 5000. If
>> dropping and re-adding it doesn't work (as Chuck suggested), I have some
>> further suggestions.
>> 
>> 1) Download the appropriate driver from the hp website and reinstall it. It
>> looks like your driver may not have been updated since macOS 10.6. But it
>> still might work.
>> 
>> 2) Create a virtual machine of a lower macOS version and print from there.
>> I did this for years with my previous large-format printer, which ceased to
>> function correctly starting with Mavericks. Considering my usage patterns,
>> for me it was not a noticeable hardship to start up the virtual for a print
>> job.
>> 
>> 3) If you are in the mood for a new printer, I just bought a HP Color
>> Laserjet CP5225 that I am very happy with. With the manual feeder I can go
>> as large as 12.5"x18.5". (The tray goes up to 11x17.) It is not super-fast,
>> but the results are so much better than my previous printer which had been
>> slowly dying for a number of years. (And it isn't any slower than that one
>> was.) Plus it does color! It's not great for photo printing, but for adding
>> color accents to a document it is perfect. It is larger and heavier than I
>> would like. If I live long enough to replace it, I probably won't try to
>> move it again by myself. It really needs two people to lift it safely.
>> 
>> Final note: if you order a CP5225, make sure you get the one that has an
>> automatic duplexer. You have to manually duplex oversize (larger than
>> 11x17) sheets, but it is very handy for 11x17 and smaller, and it adds
>> almost no additional cost.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM, dfr...@smcm.edu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> I’ve been using an HP5000 printer for a very long time. It still works
>>> great. I installed a card that allowed it to print via ethernet (so, in
>>> essence, it is a HP5000N). It is a 600dpi, large-format, laser printer.
>>> 
>>> I use a MacBook, running Sierra (not High Sierra). Suddenly, with the last
>>> system upgrade from Apple (to 10.12.6), the printer is no longer found.
>>> 
>>> Is anyone on the list using a setup similar to mine, who experienced the
>>> same problem and has a solution?
>>> 
>>> Or, perhaps, could someone make recommendations for a reliable printer
>>> that can print up to 12x18?
>>> 
>>> Hoping for help!
>>> 
>>> David Froom
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> 
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> Portland OR 97202
> 
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