Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
On Sun, September 4, 2016 5:45 am, David H. Bailey wrote: > I just ran an experiment -- started with a full orchestra score, then > for a few measures in the contrabassoon part I tried a change to > contrabass flute -- no change appeared whatsoever. But when I tried a > change to bass flute the double barliness appeared (don't know why an > instrument change in one part should trigger double barlines for the > whole score) and the clef changed to treble clef just as it should. Yes, the bass flute works (no double barlines here, though; probably in the preferences somewhere), but the contrabass flute apparently doesn't exist except as a name in the list. > So there's clearly a problem with the instrument definition list, but > when I opened it (using a program which can display both hexadecimal and > ascii) I see no way to change the entry for contrabass flute to make it > work properly. Don't know where this list is. Is this the SQLite database file that jef mentioned? Finale.instruments or GIFF.Soundmap? One more list. Never mind. > So my suggestion is for you to make the music appear as you wish (use > bass flute since the program can work with that) and if playback is > important then export it as midi file to open in a sequencer and then > edit the midi data for that section so that the contrabass will play > back (if you have a sound library which actually has a contrabass flute > patch) with the correct sound at the correct pitch. The Olde Way. Thanks! Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
On Sun, September 4, 2016 6:46 am, SN jef chippewa wrote: > somewhere deep within your computer there is a database with > instruments that can only be edited -- as i recall -- with a > programme that can write/read mysql... or something like that. i > don't recommend it, but have edited it in the past for my own needs. It used to be an extensive XML file. I edited it to add an alto flute back when there wasn't one available. It required creating a custom soundfont (sfz) file for the instrument (I have an soundfont editor, and based it on a standard flute). Now it's GIFFinstruments.txt (user settings) combined with Instruments for Finale.bank.xml (in the Garritan program entry) and probably other things. Since every Finale version recreates this file, it's a pain to find and edit these by hand. > thought of the day -- we have it backwards: there are not finale > workarounds, but rather finale IS a workaround for our notational > needs. :P Yes. Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
somewhere deep within your computer there is a database with instruments that can only be edited -- as i recall -- with a programme that can write/read mysql... or something like that. i don't recommend it, but have edited it in the past for my own needs. >So there's clearly a problem with the instrument definition list, >but when I opened it (using a program which can display both >hexadecimal and ascii) I see no way to change the entry for >contrabass flute to make it work properly. thought of the day -- we have it backwards: there are not finale workarounds, but rather finale IS a workaround for our notational needs. :P >So my suggestion is for you to make the music appear as you wish >(use bass flute since the program can work with that) and if >playback is important then export it as midi file to open in a >sequencer and then edit the midi data for that section so that the >contrabass will play back (if you have a sound library which >actually has a contrabass flute patch) with the correct sound at the >correct pitch. -- neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation [JAN 2016] v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5 and PC http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + arts management + translation [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
On 9/3/2016 9:06 PM, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > On Sat, September 3, 2016 4:58 pm, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya wrote: >> There seems to be a bug, also found in Fin25. The clef assignment can be >> changed (to treble clef) but playback is wrong anyway. You'll have to do it >> in the old way, with Staff Styles (and tell Makemusic too) > > Unpleasant, but it displays correctly. The playback problem remains, though, > especially with instrument changes (studio view volume has no effect, either). > > Also, there's no E-flat flute in the instrument list, which I just discovered > when trying to switch to it. I don't see an instrument definition list where I > can add this. > > Somehow I never found value in the Score Manager. :( > With each new version I have found less and less value in Finale as a program! I just ran an experiment -- started with a full orchestra score, then for a few measures in the contrabassoon part I tried a change to contrabass flute -- no change appeared whatsoever. But when I tried a change to bass flute the double barliness appeared (don't know why an instrument change in one part should trigger double barlines for the whole score) and the clef changed to treble clef just as it should. So there's clearly a problem with the instrument definition list, but when I opened it (using a program which can display both hexadecimal and ascii) I see no way to change the entry for contrabass flute to make it work properly. So my suggestion is for you to make the music appear as you wish (use bass flute since the program can work with that) and if playback is important then export it as midi file to open in a sequencer and then edit the midi data for that section so that the contrabass will play back (if you have a sound library which actually has a contrabass flute patch) with the correct sound at the correct pitch. -- David H. Bailey dhbai...@davidbaileymusicstudio.com http://www.davidbaileymusicstudio.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
On Sat, September 3, 2016 4:58 pm, Rafael Leonardo Junchaya wrote: > There seems to be a bug, also found in Fin25. The clef assignment can be > changed (to treble clef) but playback is wrong anyway. You'll have to do it > in the old way, with Staff Styles (and tell Makemusic too) Unpleasant, but it displays correctly. The playback problem remains, though, especially with instrument changes (studio view volume has no effect, either). Also, there's no E-flat flute in the instrument list, which I just discovered when trying to switch to it. I don't see an instrument definition list where I can add this. Somehow I never found value in the Score Manager. :( Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
On Sat, September 3, 2016 3:56 pm, SN jef chippewa wrote: > score in C maybe? should be correct in the part. Score is transposed. No change takes place in score or part, transposed or not. The part is also in bass clef. D ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
There seems to be a bug, also found in Fin25. The clef assignment can be changed (to treble clef) but playback is wrong anyway. You'll have to do it in the old way, with Staff Styles (and tell Makemusic too) Rafael J On 3 September 2016 at 22:56, SN jef chippewa wrote: > > score in C maybe? should be correct in the part. > > >When I choose "contrabass flute" in a mid-score instrument change, > >it renders it in bass clef. Contrabass flute reads treble clef. > > -- > > neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation > [JAN 2016] v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5 and PC > http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html > > shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com > new music notation + arts management + translation > [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise > > ___ > Finale mailing list > Finale@shsu.edu > https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale > > To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: > finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu > ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
score in C maybe? should be correct in the part. >When I choose "contrabass flute" in a mid-score instrument change, >it renders it in bass clef. Contrabass flute reads treble clef. -- neueweise -- fonts for new music (and traditional) notation [JAN 2016] v. 1.002 for Finale 2014.5 and PC http://newmusicnotation.com/fonts.html shirling & neueweise | http://newmusicnotation.com new music notation + arts management + translation [FB] http://facebook.com/neueweise | [TW] http://twitter.com/neueweise ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
Re: [Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
Sorry, forgot: Finale 2014.5, Windows 10. On Sat, September 3, 2016 2:00 pm, Dennis Bathory-Kitsz wrote: > Hi all, > > Doing a score with required demo. > > 1. > What am I missing in trying to create a treble-clef-reading contrabass flute > that plays back? > > When I choose "contrabass flute" in a mid-score instrument change, it renders > it in bass clef. Contrabass flute reads treble clef. > > It also won't play in any clef (there's no Garritan contrabass flute). I can > substitute contrabassoon, but that only helps playback, not display. I've > tried a 2-octave transposition staff style using the SoftSynth, but that's > silent and doesn't change the clef as requested (transposition, set to clef). > Mid-score instrument change overrides staff style? > > > 2. > Volume levels of instrument changes don't seem to respect dynamic marking > during mid-score instrument changes. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
[Finale] Contrabass flute, instrument levels.
Hi all, Doing a score with required demo. 1. What am I missing in trying to create a treble-clef-reading contrabass flute that plays back? When I choose "contrabass flute" in a mid-score instrument change, it renders it in bass clef. Contrabass flute reads treble clef. It also won't play in any clef (there's no Garritan contrabass flute). I can substitute contrabassoon, but that only helps playback, not display. I've tried a 2-octave transposition staff style using the SoftSynth, but that's silent and doesn't change the clef as requested (transposition, set to clef). Mid-score instrument change overrides staff style? 2. Volume levels of instrument changes don't seem to respect dynamic marking during mid-score instrument changes. Thanks, Dennis ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu https://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale To unsubscribe from finale send a message to: finale-unsubscr...@shsu.edu
