[Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
I've posted on this topic before, but to review: I've found that many of my old scores which have been converted from earlier versions of Finale have developed duplicate hairpins. In other words, there are two identical smart shape hairpins lying directly on top of each other. (Most of the time I don't even notice, since I almost always use the TGTools shortcuts to move hairpins, instead of dragging them.) When I first brought this up, some people suggested it might be the fault of the new copying anomalies introduced in Fin2k5. I have to admit, most of those have not bothered me, mainly because I almost never use Copy Everything, and I use note expressions (not measure expressions) for virtually everything except rehearsal letters and tempo indications, etc. But apparently some of the copying weirdness in Fin2k5 affects smart shapes as well. Okay, I can understand that when copying hairpins from one staff to the ones below, some duplication might occur. Fine. But now I find myself looking at a piece where I *know* for a fact I've never copied the hairpins in the sop. sax solo part to any other part. And yet, almost all of the hairpins in that part have been duplicated. Has anyone else seen this? The other thing is that there are never more than two hairpins. I would expect, if there were some kind of copying anomaly that caused hairpins to spawn clones, they would just keep piling up, but they don't. When the hairpins have been duped, there's always just two of them, no more. I'm trying to pinpoint this behavior a little better so I can file a report with Coda. Has anyone else seen their hairpins duplicated like this? If so, under what circumstances? - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
Hi Thomas, There was no implosion in this score either -- each instrument has its own staff. I'm currently mystified -- almost, but not quite every, hairpin in the piece was duplicated. But I'm not sure at what stage in the process it happened. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Apr 2005, at 9:26 AM, Thomas Schaller wrote: a duplication always happens when merging two staves - I often get files from composers where for instance flutes are split in 2 staves: Flute 1 and Flute 2 - the publisher wants them to share the staff - so I implode the 2 staves into one: if you do that straight out, you'll end up with 2 sets of smart shapes (slurs, but also measure attached ones, like hairpins)), 2 sets of articulations, 2 sets of dynamics (note expressions) - the way around this (which is not a good one, because it can produce deletion of items that should be kept) is to delete artics, dynamics and smart shapes from one of the 2 staves before imploding - but I would say this behavior seems buggy to me... Thanks for taking this one, Darcy. Thomas On Apr 26, 2005, at 8:12 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I'm trying to pinpoint this behavior a little better so I can file a report with Coda. Has anyone else seen their hairpins duplicated like this? If so, under what circumstances? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:09 AM, JD wrote: Darcy, I found this happened to me while assembling individual files into one score. The main nemesis for me was Robert's Mass Copy plugin. When I selected a range of source measures, and then simply copied it into the target file, everything was replaced EXCEPT any measure attached Smart Shapes. It left duplicates exactly as you describe. The workaround was pretty easy. Before pasting in with the plugin, I used the Clear button in the plugin or just cleared the target measures out before pasting. Problem eliminated. And QuicKeys made the whole process mindless. I was working in FinMac 2K3 under OS 9 when I encountered this problem. Actually, that is the same behaviour as Finale USED to have, even without the Mass Copy plugin. I didn't mind that, as I knew it and could deal with it. Nowadays, I don't know WHAT I'm going to get copied. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
JD, I have never run Mass Copy on this document, nor copied anything from any other document. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Apr 2005, at 10:09 AM, JD wrote: Darcy, I found this happened to me while assembling individual files into one score. The main nemesis for me was Robert's Mass Copy plugin. When I selected a range of source measures, and then simply copied it into the target file, everything was replaced EXCEPT any measure attached Smart Shapes. It left duplicates exactly as you describe. The workaround was pretty easy. Before pasting in with the plugin, I used the Clear button in the plugin or just cleared the target measures out before pasting. Problem eliminated. And QuicKeys made the whole process mindless. I was working in FinMac 2K3 under OS 9 when I encountered this problem. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** Everyone has a photographic memory. Some just don't have film. on 4/26/05 6:12 AM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted on this topic before, but to review: I've found that many of my old scores which have been converted from earlier versions of Finale have developed duplicate hairpins. In other words, there are two identical smart shape hairpins lying directly on top of each other. (Most of the time I don't even notice, since I almost always use the TGTools shortcuts to move hairpins, instead of dragging them.) When I first brought this up, some people suggested it might be the fault of the new copying anomalies introduced in Fin2k5. I have to admit, most of those have not bothered me, mainly because I almost never use Copy Everything, and I use note expressions (not measure expressions) for virtually everything except rehearsal letters and tempo indications, etc. But apparently some of the copying weirdness in Fin2k5 affects smart shapes as well. Okay, I can understand that when copying hairpins from one staff to the ones below, some duplication might occur. Fine. But now I find myself looking at a piece where I *know* for a fact I've never copied the hairpins in the sop. sax solo part to any other part. And yet, almost all of the hairpins in that part have been duplicated. Has anyone else seen this? The other thing is that there are never more than two hairpins. I would expect, if there were some kind of copying anomaly that caused hairpins to spawn clones, they would just keep piling up, but they don't. When the hairpins have been duped, there's always just two of them, no more. I'm trying to pinpoint this behavior a little better so I can file a report with Coda. Has anyone else seen their hairpins duplicated like this? If so, under what circumstances? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
On 26 Apr 2005, at 9:38 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: Can you be more specific about what edits you have done on the files once you open them? More specific? What do you mean, exactly? This file is an original composition for big band that I've been working on for a long time (far too long, in fact). I started the piece in Fin2004, but it was updated for Fin2005 a while back. Like I said, I haven't run Mass Copy or copied anything from other documents or imploded staves or done anything that is known to cause duplicate hairpins. I have noticed a lot of duplicate items piling up, particularly rehearsal letters and tempo indications, as you mentioned, See, I never have a problem with duplicate rehearsal letters or tempo indications, even in 2k5. and also measure-attached Smart Shapes like hairpins and Even 8ths custom lines, The only items I've seen duplicated are hairpins. Other measure-attached smart shapes, like trill extension lines, 8va lines, etc., aren't cloned -- at least, not in this file. I suspect that it isn't actually working as intended, and items are copying anyway, even though I set them NOT to copy. Could that be causing your problems? You said that you hardly ever copy EVERYTHING, but if it isn't filtering properly, could that be it? No -- the hairpins on the sop. sax. part have *never* been copied to or from another staff. And I'm getting duplicates everywhere in the score, not just on measures where I've copied something vertically. And copying measure-attached smart shapes only works as expected -- in fact, it's the *solution* to the problem. Remove the duplicate hairpins from one staff, then copy it to all the other staves. This behavior definitely does not cause duplicates. I take it that the duplicates don't show up when you first open the file; you have to do something first to cause it. I have no idea when the duplicates showed up, because they are exact copies of the original, superimposed perfectly. There is no way to even tell they're there except by clicking on them individually and dragging, to see if they leave their clone behind. Frankly, I'm stumped. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
But as Christopher pointed out, I think this is normal pre-2k5 behavior even with normal copy/paste operations. Even from within the same file. I'm still making an arduous switch OS X an Fin 2005, so I can't really comment on the new copy behavior. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. on 4/26/05 7:34 AM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JD, I have never run Mass Copy on this document, nor copied anything from any other document. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Apr 2005, at 10:09 AM, JD wrote: Darcy, I found this happened to me while assembling individual files into one score. The main nemesis for me was Robert's Mass Copy plugin. When I selected a range of source measures, and then simply copied it into the target file, everything was replaced EXCEPT any measure attached Smart Shapes. It left duplicates exactly as you describe. The workaround was pretty easy. Before pasting in with the plugin, I used the Clear button in the plugin or just cleared the target measures out before pasting. Problem eliminated. And QuicKeys made the whole process mindless. I was working in FinMac 2K3 under OS 9 when I encountered this problem. on 4/26/05 6:12 AM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted on this topic before, but to review: I've found that many of my old scores which have been converted from earlier versions of Finale have developed duplicate hairpins. In other words, there are two identical smart shape hairpins lying directly on top of each other. (Most of the time I don't even notice, since I almost always use the TGTools shortcuts to move hairpins, instead of dragging them.) When I first brought this up, some people suggested it might be the fault of the new copying anomalies introduced in Fin2k5. I have to admit, most of those have not bothered me, mainly because I almost never use Copy Everything, and I use note expressions (not measure expressions) for virtually everything except rehearsal letters and tempo indications, etc. But apparently some of the copying weirdness in Fin2k5 affects smart shapes as well. Okay, I can understand that when copying hairpins from one staff to the ones below, some duplication might occur. Fine. But now I find myself looking at a piece where I *know* for a fact I've never copied the hairpins in the sop. sax solo part to any other part. And yet, almost all of the hairpins in that part have been duplicated. Has anyone else seen this? The other thing is that there are never more than two hairpins. I would expect, if there were some kind of copying anomaly that caused hairpins to spawn clones, they would just keep piling up, but they don't. When the hairpins have been duped, there's always just two of them, no more. I'm trying to pinpoint this behavior a little better so I can file a report with Coda. Has anyone else seen their hairpins duplicated like this? If so, under what circumstances? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
JD, As I explained to Chris, this is *not* a problem with normal copy/paste behavior, even in 2k5. I rely on normal copy/paste behavior to *fix* the problem. There's definitely something else going on here. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Apr 2005, at 11:22 AM, JD wrote: But as Christopher pointed out, I think this is normal pre-2k5 behavior even with normal copy/paste operations. Even from within the same file. I'm still making an arduous switch OS X an Fin 2005, so I can't really comment on the new copy behavior. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** All those who believe in telekinesis, raise my hand. on 4/26/05 7:34 AM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JD, I have never run Mass Copy on this document, nor copied anything from any other document. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Apr 2005, at 10:09 AM, JD wrote: Darcy, I found this happened to me while assembling individual files into one score. The main nemesis for me was Robert's Mass Copy plugin. When I selected a range of source measures, and then simply copied it into the target file, everything was replaced EXCEPT any measure attached Smart Shapes. It left duplicates exactly as you describe. The workaround was pretty easy. Before pasting in with the plugin, I used the Clear button in the plugin or just cleared the target measures out before pasting. Problem eliminated. And QuicKeys made the whole process mindless. I was working in FinMac 2K3 under OS 9 when I encountered this problem. on 4/26/05 6:12 AM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've posted on this topic before, but to review: I've found that many of my old scores which have been converted from earlier versions of Finale have developed duplicate hairpins. In other words, there are two identical smart shape hairpins lying directly on top of each other. (Most of the time I don't even notice, since I almost always use the TGTools shortcuts to move hairpins, instead of dragging them.) When I first brought this up, some people suggested it might be the fault of the new copying anomalies introduced in Fin2k5. I have to admit, most of those have not bothered me, mainly because I almost never use Copy Everything, and I use note expressions (not measure expressions) for virtually everything except rehearsal letters and tempo indications, etc. But apparently some of the copying weirdness in Fin2k5 affects smart shapes as well. Okay, I can understand that when copying hairpins from one staff to the ones below, some duplication might occur. Fine. But now I find myself looking at a piece where I *know* for a fact I've never copied the hairpins in the sop. sax solo part to any other part. And yet, almost all of the hairpins in that part have been duplicated. Has anyone else seen this? The other thing is that there are never more than two hairpins. I would expect, if there were some kind of copying anomaly that caused hairpins to spawn clones, they would just keep piling up, but they don't. When the hairpins have been duped, there's always just two of them, no more. I'm trying to pinpoint this behavior a little better so I can file a report with Coda. Has anyone else seen their hairpins duplicated like this? If so, under what circumstances? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I have no idea when the duplicates showed up, because they are exact copies of the original, superimposed perfectly. There is no way to even tell they're there except by clicking on them individually and dragging, to see if they leave their clone behind. Frankly, I'm stumped. Hmm, so am I. Are you CERTAIN that they are actually there? That is, are they still there after a cmd-D screen redraw? I sometimes get ghosts of things I have moved until I redraw. They look quite real, too. When you open an old file, try checking right away to see if they are there. You could try checking in 2004 as well, to see if they are there. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
On 26 Apr 2005, at 2:04 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I have no idea when the duplicates showed up, because they are exact copies of the original, superimposed perfectly. There is no way to even tell they're there except by clicking on them individually and dragging, to see if they leave their clone behind. Frankly, I'm stumped. Hmm, so am I. Are you CERTAIN that they are actually there? That is, are they still there after a cmd-D screen redraw? Oh yes. They have their own handles, and I can move them independently. If I offset them from the original, they print. (Well, they print even without offsetting them, it's just that the two hairpins print exactly on top of each other. They are definitely a second set of hairpins, and they're all over the place. Not just this one score, by the way. I haven't checked, but I think many of my old documents have spawned duplicate hairpins. It's just that most of the time, I don't notice, since I almost never move hairpins by clicking and dragging. When you open an old file, try checking right away to see if they are there. You could try checking in 2004 as well, to see if they are there. I don't have the original Fin2k4 draft score -- I deleted it after I started working on it in 2k5 (probably not the wisest move, I admit). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
Darcy, Just to let you know that you are not alone in observing this behavior, only I haven't been careful enough to notice exactly when it happens. I do remember that it often occurs in updated files, and that the duplicates are sometimes multiple. This kind of thing may well be linked to the new copy and paste behavior. I include myself in the list of those who find it (the new copy and paste behavior) unfathomable and annoying. Chuck On Apr 26, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 26 Apr 2005, at 2:04 PM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I have no idea when the duplicates showed up, because they are exact copies of the original, superimposed perfectly. There is no way to even tell they're there except by clicking on them individually and dragging, to see if they leave their clone behind. Frankly, I'm stumped. Hmm, so am I. Are you CERTAIN that they are actually there? That is, are they still there after a cmd-D screen redraw? Oh yes. They have their own handles, and I can move them independently. If I offset them from the original, they print. (Well, they print even without offsetting them, it's just that the two hairpins print exactly on top of each other. They are definitely a second set of hairpins, and they're all over the place. Not just this one score, by the way. I haven't checked, but I think many of my old documents have spawned duplicate hairpins. It's just that most of the time, I don't notice, since I almost never move hairpins by clicking and dragging. When you open an old file, try checking right away to see if they are there. You could try checking in 2004 as well, to see if they are there. I don't have the original Fin2k4 draft score -- I deleted it after I started working on it in 2k5 (probably not the wisest move, I admit). - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
I think smart shapes duplicate when you repeatedly drag/drop a bar with Copy Everything turned on. Darcy James Argue wrote: On 26 Apr 2005, at 10:44 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 26 Apr 2005, at 9:38 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: and also measure-attached Smart Shapes like hairpins and Even 8ths custom lines, The only items I've seen duplicated are hairpins. Other measure-attached smart shapes, like trill extension lines, 8va lines, etc., aren't cloned -- at least, not in this file. Correction: I found some trill extension lines that were cloned, as well. Again, not sure what could be causing this. Copying with only Measure Items: Smart Shapes (Attached To Measures) _always_ deletes existing smart shapes when pasting. I suppose this must have something to do with Fin2k5* copy everything weirdness, but since I can't actually _replicate_ the behavior, I suspect my appeals to tech support will fall on deaf ears. If I somehow manage to catch these hairpins in the act of being duplicated, I'll let y'all know. - Darcy * Wait, doesn't Fin2k5 actually mean Fin20005? Just wondering. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
Hi Robert, As I said in a previous message, I rarely use Copy Everything, and I have duplicate hairpins even on staves that have never been copied to/from other staves. Or are you saying that hairpins in *all* staves are duplicated when you Copy Everything vertically? Hmm... I'll have to try that. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 26 Apr 2005, at 7:36 PM, Robert Patterson wrote: I think smart shapes duplicate when you repeatedly drag/drop a bar with Copy Everything turned on. Darcy James Argue wrote: On 26 Apr 2005, at 10:44 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: On 26 Apr 2005, at 9:38 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: and also measure-attached Smart Shapes like hairpins and Even 8ths custom lines, The only items I've seen duplicated are hairpins. Other measure-attached smart shapes, like trill extension lines, 8va lines, etc., aren't cloned -- at least, not in this file. Correction: I found some trill extension lines that were cloned, as well. Again, not sure what could be causing this. Copying with only Measure Items: Smart Shapes (Attached To Measures) _always_ deletes existing smart shapes when pasting. I suppose this must have something to do with Fin2k5* copy everything weirdness, but since I can't actually _replicate_ the behavior, I suspect my appeals to tech support will fall on deaf ears. If I somehow manage to catch these hairpins in the act of being duplicated, I'll let y'all know. - Darcy * Wait, doesn't Fin2k5 actually mean Fin20005? Just wondering. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale -- Robert Patterson http://RobertGPatterson.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
On 26 Apr 2005, at 7:39 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Or are you saying that hairpins in *all* staves are duplicated when you Copy Everything vertically? Hmm... I'll have to try that. Nope, I tried that in Fin2005b -- that's not it. Hairpins in other staves are unaffected. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Duplicate hairpins
I also find that these duplicate hairpins mysteriously appear. They are exact duplicates, perfectly superimposed. I usually discover them when I delete or adjust a hairpin. I also find duplicate slurs. I have no idea when they appear since I only discover them after the fact. But they are absolutely there. I think I started noticing this two versions ago, but I cannot swear to that. Michael Matthews From: Christopher Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: April 26, 2005 1:04:22 PM GMT-05:00 To: finale@shsu.edu Subject: Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins Reply-To: finale@shsu.edu On Apr 26, 2005, at 10:44 AM, Darcy James Argue wrote: I have no idea when the duplicates showed up, because they are exact copies of the original, superimposed perfectly. There is no way to even tell they're there except by clicking on them individually and dragging, to see if they leave their clone behind. Frankly, I'm stumped. Hmm, so am I. Are you CERTAIN that they are actually there? That is, are they still there after a cmd-D screen redraw? I sometimes get ghosts of things I have moved until I redraw. They look quite real, too. When you open an old file, try checking right away to see if they are there. You could try checking in 2004 as well, to see if they are there. Christopher___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
on 3/7/05 10:16 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So -- any ideas (1) what is causing these duplicate hairpins to occur, and (2) is there any reasonable way of getting rid of them? I'm not about to go through an existing document and try dragging each individual hairpin to see if there's an identical one underneath. Darcy, The first act of the score I'm working on had 1000s of duplicate smart shapes, including hairpins. I deduced it back to simple copy and paste. If you C/P, not the option-click method, Finale will leave the SS in the target measure and add in any new ones coming from the source. I assembled about 10 Finale files into one score and did a ton of C/P in the process, using the normal routine and Mass Mover. My feeling is that is does make the file bloated, in my case, the final score came in at nearly 4MB, which is huge for Finale. *** J.D. Thomas ThomaStudios West Linn OR http://www.thomastudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** I'm desperately trying to figure out why Kamikaze pilots wore helmets. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
On Mar 8, 2005, at 9:01 AM, JD wrote: on 3/7/05 10:16 PM, Darcy James Argue at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So -- any ideas (1) what is causing these duplicate hairpins to occur, and (2) is there any reasonable way of getting rid of them? I'm not about to go through an existing document and try dragging each individual hairpin to see if there's an identical one underneath. Darcy, The first act of the score I'm working on had 1000s of duplicate smart shapes, including hairpins. I deduced it back to simple copy and paste. If you C/P, not the option-click method, Finale will leave the SS in the target measure and add in any new ones coming from the source. I assembled about 10 Finale files into one score and did a ton of C/P in the process, using the normal routine and Mass Mover. My feeling is that is does make the file bloated, in my case, the final score came in at nearly 4MB, which is huge for Finale. Darcy, On occasion I implode a passage, re-voice it, then explode it back to its original staves. If the articulations were already attached, then my imploded staff has five articulations on every note, showing shadows where I might have nudged one. The way I get around this is to set Mass Edit to copy only articulations, and copy from one of the original staves that only has one articulation to my imploded staff. Then I can safely explode and every exploded staff only has one accent, like they are supposed to. The reason I mention this is you may have a similar procedure available for Smart Shapes. If you go through and delete duplicates from ONE staff, then clear the hairpins from all the others, you can copy them relatively painlessly from the clean staff you created. To delete hairpins easily, I drag one off a bit (this will be the one I keep) drag around the handles for the others to make sure I select ALL of them, hit delete, then drag my saved one back into position again. The smart shapes duplicate every time you perform a drag and drop copy, or a command-c command-v copy and paste, unless you have specifically set the Mass Edit not to copy these items. This is the same effect that occurs with staff expressions, like rehearsal letters. They get duplicated all over the friggin' place. Fortunately, they are easier to deal with. When I drag one away and delete the others (as I described above) I only have to hit Clear to restore the default positioning of the one remaining expression. You don't have this option with hairpins. Does anyone else have these issues with the new copy behaviour? I hate it passionately. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Duplicate Hairpins
Okay, I think I actually tracked down the problem of the flutter I've been getting on some chords using Human Playback. I'm not 100% certain, but I think it might be caused by duplicate crescendo/diminuendo hairpins applied to the same staff. I've noticed that many of my scores have somehow developed duplicate hairpins. Normally, this isn't a problem, or even noticeable, since I almost always use TGTools align/move keyboard shortcuts, and rarely actually drag a hairpin (which is the only way I could ever uncover the duplicates). But they seem to be fouling up the Human Playback. So -- any ideas (1) what is causing these duplicate hairpins to occur, and (2) is there any reasonable way of getting rid of them? I'm not about to go through an existing document and try dragging each individual hairpin to see if there's an identical one underneath. - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
