Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Hi Kurt, There are a couple of things going on with your midi files. In one file, the export was done so there was only one multi channel track (Format 0). So, with a file like this, when you import into Finale, you have to choose Channels become Staves when the Import Midi File Options comes up in order to see each instrument on its own staff. You can also click on Set Track-to-Staff List and then click the select button next to that radio button. Then click on AutoSet to Channels and you will see each channel. There are other customizations that you can do with the latter choice In the other, the tracks were were separated out (Format 1which is the way I prefer to see things...at least when it comes to exporting a midi file out of a sequencer in order to bring it into Finale). So in this case, when you import into Finale, you would have to choose Tracks become Staves when the Import Midi File Options comes up in order to see each instrument on its own staff. You can also click on Set Track-to-Staff List and then click the select button. Then click on AutoSet to Tracks. The other issue was that while the notes were falling in the right place rhythmically, their durations were set to be very very short (002 ticks) So, unless you either change the durations in your sequencing software, or set Finale up to see very short durations upon import, you won't see any notes in Finale. To set Finale up to see these short durations, when the Import Midi File Options comes up (or you can also set this up under the Midi menuImport Midi File Options) click on Quant Settings then More Settings. There are various choices you can play with here based on your own preferences in the way you want to notate your drum parts but the important one is to set Remove Notes Smaller Than to zero and click on Convert to Real Notes. This way all those little 002 tick notes will show up. You can then edit the drum part as you would like to. You may want to experiment with some of the other settings in the Midi File Options window until you find settings you like as well for each file (i.e. smallest note value, simplify rhythms...or don't simplify rhythms etc.) You can also choose to set up percussion staves here (including a percussion map...which Christopher Smith is a whiz at doing so maybe you can pick his brain for this. :-)) Having said all this, what I would personally do is to bring those midi files into a sequencing program and clean each up there before bringing them into Finale. You can pop open the drum track in each file and set the durations to their full correct value and do any other quantizing or adjusting as needed. You can do quantizing in Finale as well but I am used to doing this in a sequencing program so that is what I use personally. You can then Save as Midi File from your sequencing program and save the file as Format 1 (All Instruments Set to Separate Tracks) and bring the new midi file into Finale. Once again, all this can be done from within Finale too if you prefer (you can change the way the tracks are set up by setting up the Midi MenuExport Midi File Options the way you want them if you want to change the midi Format from Format 1 to 0 or vice versa) Also see OptionsQuantization Settings and Mass EditRetranscribe if you want to do quantizing work in Finale. But again, if you are working only in Finale, make sure Finale will see the notes of short duration upon import. Hope this helps, Karen I was using midifiles I had downloaded from the net. When it didn't work, I experimented using Nuendo, saving and changing channels etc. Kurt At 22:12 27.02.2005, you wrote: Kurt, Which sequencing software are you exporting (or save as midi file) out of? Perhaps the problem is with the export? -K Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
On Mar 1, 2005, at 3:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kurt, There are a couple of things going on with your midi files. Kurt, Karen is the all-knowing, all-seeing queen of MIDI files. She nailed exactly what was going on, and then some. There is nothing I can add to what she said, except to genuflect in her direction, mouth agape in wonder. You can also choose to set up percussion staves here (including a percussion map...which Christopher Smith is a whiz at doing so maybe you can pick his brain for this. :-) Aww, shucks again! Actually, I am no whiz, I just waded through the documentation with a pith helmet and a machete. Seriously, all you have to remember is to check the Use these notes button, and the rest is messing around until it works. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Hi Karen, At 09:00 01.03.2005, you wrote: the important one is to set Remove Notes Smaller Than to zero and click on Convert to Real Notes. This did the trick! Thank you very much. I had a look at the midi files in nuendo's editor, but found nothing special. Never suspected the note lengths. Thanks again and cheers Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
On Mar 1, 2005, at 12:02 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: Hi Christopher, At 16:44 01.03.2005, you wrote: Karen is the all-knowing, all-seeing queen of MIDI files. She nailed exactly what was going on, and then some. There is nothing I can add to what she said, except to genuflect in her direction, mouth agape in wonder. Yeah, I guess you're right (*genuflect*)...;-) To which I add another (*genuflect*) Aww, shucks again! Actually, I am no whiz, I just waded through the documentation with a pith helmet and a machete. Seriously, all you have to remember is to check the Use these notes button, and the rest is messing around until it works. The general midi drums setting works quite fine for me. I only had to define an other note head for the open hihat, the rest worked right away... Glad to hear it! See, everyone, there ISN'T such a big deal to it! Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
On Feb 26, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: At 15:22 26.02.2005, you wrote: When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. I isolated the drum part - still an empty space in Finale (2005b, also 2004). I changed the channel of all events - still empty (why?) I tried other midi files including a drum part - won't work. I searched Coda's site for help - nothing to be found Why can Finale import no drum parts? Kurt I didn't answer because I've never run across this. Finale imports all of my drum parts perfectly (well, normally, anyhow!) You can even specify a percussion map like General Midi Input so that the low C2 for bass drum shows up correctly on the first space, etc. I'm afraid this might be a question for tech support. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Kurt, Which sequencing software are you exporting (or save as midi file) out of? Perhaps the problem is with the export? -K Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Christopher, thanks for the answer. I could send you some midi files that won't work for me - maybe they will work for you? Kurt At 12:34 27.02.2005, you wrote: On Feb 26, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: At 15:22 26.02.2005, you wrote: When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. I isolated the drum part - still an empty space in Finale (2005b, also 2004). I changed the channel of all events - still empty (why?) I tried other midi files including a drum part - won't work. I searched Coda's site for help - nothing to be found Why can Finale import no drum parts? Kurt I didn't answer because I've never run across this. Finale imports all of my drum parts perfectly (well, normally, anyhow!) You can even specify a percussion map like General Midi Input so that the low C2 for bass drum shows up correctly on the first space, etc. I'm afraid this might be a question for tech support. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
I was using midifiles I had downloaded from the net. When it didn't work, I experimented using Nuendo, saving and changing channels etc. Kurt At 22:12 27.02.2005, you wrote: Kurt, Which sequencing software are you exporting (or save as midi file) out of? Perhaps the problem is with the export? -K Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
If you'd like, you can send them to me off list...I'd be curious to see what is going on with these particular midi files... -K I was using midifiles I had downloaded from the net. When it didn't work, I experimented using Nuendo, saving and changing channels etc. Kurt At 22:12 27.02.2005, you wrote: Kurt, Which sequencing software are you exporting (or save as midi file) out of? Perhaps the problem is with the export? -K Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Kurt, Give it a try. I'll check them out, and report back. Christopher On Feb 27, 2005, at 4:12 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: Christopher, thanks for the answer. I could send you some midi files that won't work for me - maybe they will work for you? Kurt At 12:34 27.02.2005, you wrote: On Feb 26, 2005, at 8:23 PM, Kurt Gnos wrote: At 15:22 26.02.2005, you wrote: When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. I isolated the drum part - still an empty space in Finale (2005b, also 2004). I changed the channel of all events - still empty (why?) I tried other midi files including a drum part - won't work. I searched Coda's site for help - nothing to be found Why can Finale import no drum parts? Kurt I didn't answer because I've never run across this. Finale imports all of my drum parts perfectly (well, normally, anyhow!) You can even specify a percussion map like General Midi Input so that the low C2 for bass drum shows up correctly on the first space, etc. I'm afraid this might be a question for tech support. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
Hi, When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. Any hints? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Midifiles - why no drum parts?
At 15:22 26.02.2005, you wrote: When I import a midi file into Finale, the drums won't appear. Finale is creating a drums staff, but it remains empty. I tried this out using several midi files. The pity is the main reason ARE the drums - I am arranging some funk stuff and hoped I could take the drums out of a midi file and transcribe the rest myself. I isolated the drum part - still an empty space in Finale (2005b, also 2004). I changed the channel of all events - still empty (why?) I tried other midi files including a drum part - won't work. I searched Coda's site for help - nothing to be found Why can Finale import no drum parts? Kurt ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
