Re: [Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
In a message dated 02/28/2005 12:42:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part of the problem is the notation you are dealing with; writing swing rhythms as dotted-eighth/sixteenth is a very old notation, and you almost never see it any more in modern works. Unless the arranger or editor is adhering to a fifty-year-old convention, jazz rhythms are written most clearly these days as ordinary eighths. When notated that way, Finale can put any amount of swing you want on the eighths, just in the Playback window controls, while playing back triplets as written. I'm not sure how it deals with dotted-eighth/sixteenths in that situation, but I assume that it is not acceptable to you. I would not imagine that it plays them back as triplets. I am far from being a fan of Human Playback, but this seems like it might work (not tested by me.) First of all, try applying Human Playback in the Playback window. Use the jazz setting. If this is no good (I suspect it only applies to eighths, not your dotted-eight/sixteenths) try this: In Mass Edit, select all. Under PluginsNew for 2005, select Apply Human Playback. Click Apply Specific Elements. Click More Settings: Select. I think what you are looking for is Adjust 8th and Dotted 16th/Triplet. This does not seem to be correctly named, but no matter. If the default doesn't do what you want, try messing around with these settings. You will probably get a message at some point telling you to set Human Playback to none. Go ahead and click OK. Hope this helps. Also read the manual - Chapter 39: Playback under Swing Playback. If this doesn't work, you can export a MIDI file from Finale, import it into a full-fledged sequencing program, apply one of the logical edits (depends on the program how it is implemented) to only shift 4th sixteenths a sixteenth earlier. Re-import the file into Finale, where all those dotted-eight/sixteenths will now be even eighths, and apply Swing from the playback window. All should be well, except that the playback file will look hopeless. No matter, it is only for playback! By the way, you didn't ask, but the swing feel might be more realistic at a tempo faster than medium slow if you ask for a SMALLER percentage swing than even the light swing setting gives you. You can experiment with different values in the Playback control window. Pure triplets tends to sound real hokey except at the slowest tempos. Thanks, Christopher. I have already tried the Adjust dotted 8th/16th option, but it seems the dotted 8th/16th figures continue to play back in a 3:1 rather than 2:1 ratio. As I initially posted, I am familiar with the swing playback feature, which of course works fine when the notation is in eighths rather than dotted 8th/16th format. I always choose Light swing in playback mode. Is there an easy way to choose an even lighter form (other than through the MIDI tool)? Yes, light is as swingy as I ever want it to be, too! In the Playback window, when you choose light, there is a number that appears afterwards (75 on my Mac version). You can edit this number to be even smaller to make the swing even more even. I don't have a sequencing program, so it appears I may be stuck manually converting those dotted 8th/16th figures into even eighths. I know that in Finale NoteMover mode you can do search and replace for certain pitches with certain rhythms. Is it possible to do a global search and replace in Finale 2005 for certain rhythmic figures (i.e., dotted 8th/16th) when those figures have different pitches throughout the piece? Kathy There very well may be a search and replace function somewhere in the plugins, but I am not familiar with those that I don't use. Maybe under Note, Beam and Rest EditingRhythmic Subdivisions? It looks likely. Try tech support as well. They are very responsive (if a bit slow at times.) Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Mail problem, was Re: [Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:41 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: In a message dated 02/28/2005 12:42:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part of the problem is the notation you are dealing with; writing swing rhythms as dotted-eighth/sixteenth is a very old notation, and you almost never see it any more in modern works. Unless the arranger or One more thing I forgot to mention, unrelated to your problem. In Mail in Mac OSX, I can't reply to your message! The reply window refuses to come up through command-r or the Reply item in the mene, and I ended up copying your text, address and subject into a new message. It's only YOUR message; other messages reply fine. The behaviour is identical even after restarting Mail, and after rebooting my Mac. However, after restarting Mail, I see all the attempts I made to reply, but without quoted text. Weird, or what? Anybody else out there with Mail can confirm? This only applies to your most recent message, not the first one. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Mail problem, was Re: [Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
I've had that very same problem! I can close the mail program and reopen without rebooting the system and all the reply windows I clicked pop open after load up of mail. I thought I was the only one seeing that problem! On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:50 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: On Feb 28, 2005, at 8:41 AM, Christopher Smith wrote: In a message dated 02/28/2005 12:42:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Part of the problem is the notation you are dealing with; writing swing rhythms as dotted-eighth/sixteenth is a very old notation, and you almost never see it any more in modern works. Unless the arranger or One more thing I forgot to mention, unrelated to your problem. In Mail in Mac OSX, I can't reply to your message! The reply window refuses to come up through command-r or the Reply item in the mene, and I ended up copying your text, address and subject into a new message. It's only YOUR message; other messages reply fine. The behaviour is identical even after restarting Mail, and after rebooting my Mac. However, after restarting Mail, I see all the attempts I made to reply, but without quoted text. Weird, or what? Anybody else out there with Mail can confirm? This only applies to your most recent message, not the first one. Christopher ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
Greetings! I'm new to the list (though not to Finale) and have a question about swing playback. I scanned music, converted it to MusicXML format using SharpEye, then imported it into Finale 2005for editing. The music contains standard triplets, dotted 8th/16th combinations, and pairs of regular eighth notes. I ultimately want to save the Finale score as a MIDI file that will play back as follows: --standard triplets: as written --dotted 8th/16th combinations: as swing eighths (2:1)instead of as written (3:1) --regular eighths: as swing eighths (2:1) instead of as written (1:1) I have much experience using the playback swing settings to play notated regular eighths as swing eighths, which carries overfinewhen files are saved as MIDI. However, I'm not experienced with altering the playback of the dotted 8th/16th combinations without having to change the notation. I have fiddled with the Human Playback features that would seem to be relevant, but they do not change that playback rhythm from the notated 3:1 to the desired 2:1. Alternatively, if playbacktechniques will not work, would appreciate your advice on whether you can change a rhythmic figure (dotted 8th/16th)globally when thepitches are not the same throughout. Thanks very much. Kathryn Schneider, J.D.Musical Director, City Bar ChorusNew York Citye-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback of Dotted 8th/16th as Standard Swing
On Feb 27, 2005, at 11:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings! I'm new to the list (though not to Finale) and have a question about swing playback. I scanned music, converted it to MusicXML format using SharpEye, then imported it into Finale 2005 for editing. The music contains standard triplets, dotted 8th/16th combinations, and pairs of regular eighth notes. I ultimately want to save the Finale score as a MIDI file that will play back as follows: --standard triplets: as written --dotted 8th/16th combinations: as swing eighths (2:1) instead of as written (3:1) --regular eighths: as swing eighths (2:1) instead of as written (1:1) I have much experience using the playback swing settings to play notated regular eighths as swing eighths, which carries over fine when files are saved as MIDI. However, I'm not experienced with altering the playback of the dotted 8th/16th combinations without having to change the notation. I have fiddled with the Human Playback features that would seem to be relevant, but they do not change that playback rhythm from the notated 3:1 to the desired 2:1. Alternatively, if playback techniques will not work, would appreciate your advice on whether you can change a rhythmic figure (dotted 8th/16th) globally when the pitches are not the same throughout. Thanks very much. Kathryn Schneider, J.D. Musical Director, City Bar Chorus New York City e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Part of the problem is the notation you are dealing with; writing swing rhythms as dotted-eighth/sixteenth is a very old notation, and you almost never see it any more in modern works. Unless the arranger or editor is adhering to a fifty-year-old convention, jazz rhythms are written most clearly these days as ordinary eighths. When notated that way, Finale can put any amount of swing you want on the eighths, just in the Playback window controls, while playing back triplets as written. I'm not sure how it deals with dotted-eighth/sixteenths in that situation, but I assume that it is not acceptable to you. I would not imagine that it plays them back as triplets. I am far from being a fan of Human Playback, but this seems like it might work (not tested by me.) First of all, try applying Human Playback in the Playback window. Use the jazz setting. If this is no good (I suspect it only applies to eighths, not your dotted-eight/sixteenths) try this: In Mass Edit, select all. Under Plugins>New for 2005, select Apply Human Playback. Click Apply Specific Elements. Click More Settings: Select. I think what you are looking for is Adjust 8th and Dotted 16th/Triplet. This does not seem to be correctly named, but no matter. If the default doesn't do what you want, try messing around with these settings. You will probably get a message at some point telling you to set Human Playback to none. Go ahead and click OK. Hope this helps. Also read the manual - Chapter 39: Playback under Swing Playback. If this doesn't work, you can export a MIDI file from Finale, import it into a full-fledged sequencing program, apply one of the logical edits (depends on the program how it is implemented) to only shift 4th sixteenths a sixteenth earlier. Re-import the file into Finale, where all those dotted-eight/sixteenths will now be even eighths, and apply Swing from the playback window. All should be well, except that the playback file will look hopeless. No matter, it is only for playback! By the way, you didn't ask, but the swing feel might be more realistic at a tempo faster than medium slow if you ask for a SMALLER percentage swing than even the light swing setting gives you. You can experiment with different values in the Playback control window. Pure triplets tends to sound real hokey except at the slowest tempos. Christopher___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
