{Spam} Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan font questions
Thanks for answering, Chuck. It occurred to me that one possible cause is having started a new score using an older one as a template. So who knows how many incarnations this particular document has gone through? So I opened a new document in 2010, added a staff and inputted some rhythmic notation and, sure enough, it worked fine with stems down. Among other things, I guess this is a good reminder to update my default document(s) with each new version; I have to admit I haven't made a habit of doing that. I'm almost there. I got the stems shortened, but the final setting that I seem to be missing is for ties. If I tie any notes in rhythmic notation, the ties end up way above the staff. Oddly, if I flip them, they attach to the notes where you'd expect, but as soon as I flip them back, they jump up about half an inch. I looked at all the settings in Document Options Ties but haven't yet figured out what to change if anything. I'll keep experimenting. Thanks again for the help. Doug On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Doug, I always use rhythmic notation with the stems down (and stem lengths adjusted to -36 evpus) and have had no difficulties. I set this in the staff styles dialog. I don't know of another place to set this, so I can't tell if that option is what's causing you trouble. I don't usually share Finale files with others, but on the rare occasion that I need to do that, it is usually with another person who has Bill's fonts. (For just sending music, I use pdfs.) I'd be miserable going back to the stock Finale slashes and rhythmic notation. I imagine that it might be possible to create other chord symbol solutions within Finale, though I'm happy not to need to confront that task. If you provide more details about how you define rhythmic notation and where the trouble shows up, I will try to duplicate it and see what I can discover. Chuck On Nov 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Doug Walter wrote: Since this subject came up, it reminded me of a couple things I've been meaning to ask. One is regarding sharing documents that use the chord symbol font with others who don't own it, and the other has to do with stem direction in rhythmic notation. When I know a score I've created is going to someone else to format and extract parts, to be safe I don't use any fonts that aren't native to Finale, but I really hate going back to the look of the default slash and rhythmic notation as well as the chord symbols especially. I remember that Bill had actually specified that it was OK with him to provide the fonts to someone else in such a situation, provided one didn't also include the detailed instructions on how to use them, so the recipient could presumably simply install the relevant fonts in their system and be able to view and print the document as intended. But it has always seemed that one is asking for trouble by doing this (not legal trouble, just complications), and there's no guarantee that everything ends up looking the same on the other person's system as it does on mine, so I haven't pursued it. The other question is whether anyone has had any luck when using Bill's font(s) for rhythmic notation in setting the stem direction to down instead of up. It seems that sometimes I can get it to work, but often if I set stem direction to down (in both places where it's possible to do so), I end up with no stems at all and flags displaced - a real mess. I'm not talking about Bill's method of creating another staff for rhythmic notation that would eventually be superimposed on the original staff in order to get smaller slashes and stems in rhythmic notation; I'm talking about just using it in the main staff. While I don't particularly mind the look of stems up, it's not the way I've always written it by hand, and of course once you add chord symbols and articulations (which for some reason always get placed too high vertically and have to be dragged down), things get crowded above the staff. I know there are some folks on the list who use these things regularly, and I'd welcome any advice or perhaps an approach or setting that I've missed along the way. FWIW, I'm using Finale 2010 (Mac). Thanks, Doug ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
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This is a font annotation issue. Your font annotation file for Chord symbol font (that's the font for rhythmic notation) needs to be put in the right place for 2010. Not sure I remember where that is for 2010 (it's changed in 2011), but that is surely the problem. If you need to edit the FAN file for the Chord Symbol font, it's a pain in the neck, but can be done. There are probably others who know more about this, but I can help work it out, if no one else has better (or more efficient) advice. Chuck On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Doug Walter wrote: Thanks for answering, Chuck. It occurred to me that one possible cause is having started a new score using an older one as a template. So who knows how many incarnations this particular document has gone through? So I opened a new document in 2010, added a staff and inputted some rhythmic notation and, sure enough, it worked fine with stems down. Among other things, I guess this is a good reminder to update my default document(s) with each new version; I have to admit I haven't made a habit of doing that. I'm almost there. I got the stems shortened, but the final setting that I seem to be missing is for ties. If I tie any notes in rhythmic notation, the ties end up way above the staff. Oddly, if I flip them, they attach to the notes where you'd expect, but as soon as I flip them back, they jump up about half an inch. I looked at all the settings in Document Options Ties but haven't yet figured out what to change if anything. I'll keep experimenting. Thanks again for the help. Doug On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Doug, I always use rhythmic notation with the stems down (and stem lengths adjusted to -36 evpus) and have had no difficulties. I set this in the staff styles dialog. I don't know of another place to set this, so I can't tell if that option is what's causing you trouble. I don't usually share Finale files with others, but on the rare occasion that I need to do that, it is usually with another person who has Bill's fonts. (For just sending music, I use pdfs.) I'd be miserable going back to the stock Finale slashes and rhythmic notation. I imagine that it might be possible to create other chord symbol solutions within Finale, though I'm happy not to need to confront that task. If you provide more details about how you define rhythmic notation and where the trouble shows up, I will try to duplicate it and see what I can discover. Chuck On Nov 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Doug Walter wrote: Since this subject came up, it reminded me of a couple things I've been meaning to ask. One is regarding sharing documents that use the chord symbol font with others who don't own it, and the other has to do with stem direction in rhythmic notation. When I know a score I've created is going to someone else to format and extract parts, to be safe I don't use any fonts that aren't native to Finale, but I really hate going back to the look of the default slash and rhythmic notation as well as the chord symbols especially. I remember that Bill had actually specified that it was OK with him to provide the fonts to someone else in such a situation, provided one didn't also include the detailed instructions on how to use them, so the recipient could presumably simply install the relevant fonts in their system and be able to view and print the document as intended. But it has always seemed that one is asking for trouble by doing this (not legal trouble, just complications), and there's no guarantee that everything ends up looking the same on the other person's system as it does on mine, so I haven't pursued it. The other question is whether anyone has had any luck when using Bill's font(s) for rhythmic notation in setting the stem direction to down instead of up. It seems that sometimes I can get it to work, but often if I set stem direction to down (in both places where it's possible to do so), I end up with no stems at all and flags displaced - a real mess. I'm not talking about Bill's method of creating another staff for rhythmic notation that would eventually be superimposed on the original staff in order to get smaller slashes and stems in rhythmic notation; I'm talking about just using it in the main staff. While I don't particularly mind the look of stems up, it's not the way I've always written it by hand, and of course once you add chord symbols and articulations (which for some reason always get placed too high vertically and have to be dragged down), things get crowded above the staff. I know there are some folks on the list who use these things regularly, and I'd welcome any advice or perhaps an approach or setting that I've missed along the way. FWIW, I'm using Finale 2010 (Mac). Thanks, Doug ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu
Re: {Spam} Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan font questions
Doug, Going to bed now. If you are still having trouble with the ties tomorrow, write me, and I'll give you the right things to put in the FAN files, or send you my Chord Symbol Fan files. Chuck On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Doug Walter wrote: Thanks for answering, Chuck. It occurred to me that one possible cause is having started a new score using an older one as a template. So who knows how many incarnations this particular document has gone through? So I opened a new document in 2010, added a staff and inputted some rhythmic notation and, sure enough, it worked fine with stems down. Among other things, I guess this is a good reminder to update my default document(s) with each new version; I have to admit I haven't made a habit of doing that. I'm almost there. I got the stems shortened, but the final setting that I seem to be missing is for ties. If I tie any notes in rhythmic notation, the ties end up way above the staff. Oddly, if I flip them, they attach to the notes where you'd expect, but as soon as I flip them back, they jump up about half an inch. I looked at all the settings in Document Options Ties but haven't yet figured out what to change if anything. I'll keep experimenting. Thanks again for the help. Doug On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Doug, I always use rhythmic notation with the stems down (and stem lengths adjusted to -36 evpus) and have had no difficulties. I set this in the staff styles dialog. I don't know of another place to set this, so I can't tell if that option is what's causing you trouble. I don't usually share Finale files with others, but on the rare occasion that I need to do that, it is usually with another person who has Bill's fonts. (For just sending music, I use pdfs.) I'd be miserable going back to the stock Finale slashes and rhythmic notation. I imagine that it might be possible to create other chord symbol solutions within Finale, though I'm happy not to need to confront that task. If you provide more details about how you define rhythmic notation and where the trouble shows up, I will try to duplicate it and see what I can discover. Chuck On Nov 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Doug Walter wrote: Since this subject came up, it reminded me of a couple things I've been meaning to ask. One is regarding sharing documents that use the chord symbol font with others who don't own it, and the other has to do with stem direction in rhythmic notation. When I know a score I've created is going to someone else to format and extract parts, to be safe I don't use any fonts that aren't native to Finale, but I really hate going back to the look of the default slash and rhythmic notation as well as the chord symbols especially. I remember that Bill had actually specified that it was OK with him to provide the fonts to someone else in such a situation, provided one didn't also include the detailed instructions on how to use them, so the recipient could presumably simply install the relevant fonts in their system and be able to view and print the document as intended. But it has always seemed that one is asking for trouble by doing this (not legal trouble, just complications), and there's no guarantee that everything ends up looking the same on the other person's system as it does on mine, so I haven't pursued it. The other question is whether anyone has had any luck when using Bill's font(s) for rhythmic notation in setting the stem direction to down instead of up. It seems that sometimes I can get it to work, but often if I set stem direction to down (in both places where it's possible to do so), I end up with no stems at all and flags displaced - a real mess. I'm not talking about Bill's method of creating another staff for rhythmic notation that would eventually be superimposed on the original staff in order to get smaller slashes and stems in rhythmic notation; I'm talking about just using it in the main staff. While I don't particularly mind the look of stems up, it's not the way I've always written it by hand, and of course once you add chord symbols and articulations (which for some reason always get placed too high vertically and have to be dragged down), things get crowded above the staff. I know there are some folks on the list who use these things regularly, and I'd welcome any advice or perhaps an approach or setting that I've missed along the way. FWIW, I'm using Finale 2010 (Mac). Thanks, Doug ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 1310 NW Naito Parkway #807 Portland, OR 97209-3162 phone: (503) 926-7952 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: {Spam} Re: {Spam} Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan font questions
Many thanks, Chuck. I got your other message about it being a FAN file issue, so I tried putting the FAN files I have into the Font Annotation folder for Finale 2010 (they weren't there already, so this is beginning to make sense). It didn't seem to have any effect on the ties, so I suspect the FAN files are outdated and perhaps don't match the ChordSym font. I'll dig out the Finale Productivity installation disk (that may take a minute) and try reinstalling the fonts and the FAN files from there and see if that solves it. Meanwhile, if you'd care to send your ChordSym FAN file I'd give it a try as well. Many thanks for your kind offer and for generously sharing your time and expertise. This is about to solve something that I thought was unsolvable (insoluble?) for years and that I needlessly accepted as a small price to pay for the pleasure of working with Bill's fonts. Doug On Nov 1, 2010, at 8:48 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Doug, Going to bed now. If you are still having trouble with the ties tomorrow, write me, and I'll give you the right things to put in the FAN files, or send you my Chord Symbol Fan files. Chuck On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:40 PM, Doug Walter wrote: Thanks for answering, Chuck. It occurred to me that one possible cause is having started a new score using an older one as a template. So who knows how many incarnations this particular document has gone through? So I opened a new document in 2010, added a staff and inputted some rhythmic notation and, sure enough, it worked fine with stems down. Among other things, I guess this is a good reminder to update my default document(s) with each new version; I have to admit I haven't made a habit of doing that. I'm almost there. I got the stems shortened, but the final setting that I seem to be missing is for ties. If I tie any notes in rhythmic notation, the ties end up way above the staff. Oddly, if I flip them, they attach to the notes where you'd expect, but as soon as I flip them back, they jump up about half an inch. I looked at all the settings in Document Options Ties but haven't yet figured out what to change if anything. I'll keep experimenting. Thanks again for the help. Doug On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Chuck Israels wrote: Dear Doug, I always use rhythmic notation with the stems down (and stem lengths adjusted to -36 evpus) and have had no difficulties. I set this in the staff styles dialog. I don't know of another place to set this, so I can't tell if that option is what's causing you trouble. I don't usually share Finale files with others, but on the rare occasion that I need to do that, it is usually with another person who has Bill's fonts. (For just sending music, I use pdfs.) I'd be miserable going back to the stock Finale slashes and rhythmic notation. I imagine that it might be possible to create other chord symbol solutions within Finale, though I'm happy not to need to confront that task. If you provide more details about how you define rhythmic notation and where the trouble shows up, I will try to duplicate it and see what I can discover. Chuck On Nov 1, 2010, at 8:27 AM, Doug Walter wrote: Since this subject came up, it reminded me of a couple things I've been meaning to ask. One is regarding sharing documents that use the chord symbol font with others who don't own it, and the other has to do with stem direction in rhythmic notation. When I know a score I've created is going to someone else to format and extract parts, to be safe I don't use any fonts that aren't native to Finale, but I really hate going back to the look of the default slash and rhythmic notation as well as the chord symbols especially. I remember that Bill had actually specified that it was OK with him to provide the fonts to someone else in such a situation, provided one didn't also include the detailed instructions on how to use them, so the recipient could presumably simply install the relevant fonts in their system and be able to view and print the document as intended. But it has always seemed that one is asking for trouble by doing this (not legal trouble, just complications), and there's no guarantee that everything ends up looking the same on the other person's system as it does on mine, so I haven't pursued it. The other question is whether anyone has had any luck when using Bill's font(s) for rhythmic notation in setting the stem direction to down instead of up. It seems that sometimes I can get it to work, but often if I set stem direction to down (in both places where it's possible to do so), I end up with no stems at all and flags displaced - a real mess. I'm not talking about Bill's method of creating another staff for rhythmic notation that would eventually be superimposed on the original staff in order to get smaller slashes and stems in rhythmic notation; I'm talking about
