Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Yes, I believe so. It is working perfectly on all other applications. I went to apply patches to my operating system to see if any of that would make a difference. For some reason, none of the patches would apply, and of course Microsoft doesn't explain why. I was able to regress SP3 off my system, which cleared up the patching problem. I then reapplied SP3 and all other pending patches. That all seemed to go normally, so as far as I can tell, my OS is working properly, yet Finale still refuses to show those menus. Evidently something has gotten hosed in my registry. I have a ticket open with Finale. I expect I'll have to uninstall Finale, then do some manual editing on the registry before reinstalling. Ray Horton wrote: I have Finale 2009 on Windows 2009 with all appropriate menus. Right click context menus work fine. I'm no expert at all on this sort of thing, but is your mouse installed correctly? Raymond Horton Craig Parmerlee wrote: I went back and installed F2009 from scratch. Before doing that, I uninstalled F2007 and F2009 so there was no Finale on my system at all. After the fresh install, still no context menus when I right click. Can anybody confirm that they get context menus on Finale 2009 installed on Windows XP? ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
I have Finale 2009 on Windows 2009 with all appropriate menus. Right click context menus work fine. I'm no expert at all on this sort of thing, but is your mouse installed correctly? Raymond Horton Craig Parmerlee wrote: I went back and installed F2009 from scratch. Before doing that, I uninstalled F2007 and F2009 so there was no Finale on my system at all. After the fresh install, still no context menus when I right click. Can anybody confirm that they get context menus on Finale 2009 installed on Windows XP? Chuck Israels wrote: Craig, Sounds like something is wrong to me. Those things should be there. Chuck On Aug 16, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, something must be wrong with my system. I'm not getting context menus for ANY object now. I'm pretty sure that existed when I installed F2009. The latest thing I did was install the Garritan JABB library. I guess I'll have to reinstall Finale. If I select one of these separator marks, there is nothing like hide/show or link/inlink in the text menu and there is no menu displayed if I right-click on the separator's handle. I don't find link/unlink or hide/unhide in any menu when I have the handle selected. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Hmmm. There is no problem with my mouse because the context menus appear on all other applications. I have reinstalled Finale. I can't think of anything else to try, short of scratching the whole operating system and starting over. I don't see any entries in the FinaleMusic knowledge base. I guess I'll open a ticket with Finale. Jari Williamsson wrote: Craig Parmerlee wrote: Can anybody confirm that they get context menus on Finale 2009 installed on Windows XP? Yes, I get context menus on WinXP (SP2) and Fin2009. mvh/ Jari W. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080722-1, 07/22/2008 Tested on: 8/17/2008 11:38:25 AM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Craig Parmerlee wrote: The staff separators plug-in (on F2009) is great. I've always wanted to do this. However I am having a problem that the separators are also showing up on the linked parts. There are unwanted there, of course. I agree with you that the extra step for hiding them in part is unnecessary most of the times. Send a feature request to MM that the plug-in should be able to automatically unlink in existing parts. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
John Howell wrote: Please forgive a really dumb question, but why are staff separators considered text? Separators need to be fully adjustable (user must be able to delete/move individual ones if the default settings doesn't fully work with the layout or in the optical context), the best current approach would probably be to create them as page text, since they're available in a music font. Artics/Expressions/Measure text/Smart shapes text would screw up too often if measure layout is altered. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Craig Parmerlee wrote: Can anybody confirm that they get context menus on Finale 2009 installed on Windows XP? Yes, I get context menus on WinXP (SP2) and Fin2009. mvh/ Jari W. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
I went back and installed F2009 from scratch. Before doing that, I uninstalled F2007 and F2009 so there was no Finale on my system at all. After the fresh install, still no context menus when I right click. Can anybody confirm that they get context menus on Finale 2009 installed on Windows XP? Chuck Israels wrote: Craig, Sounds like something is wrong to me. Those things should be there. Chuck On Aug 16, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, something must be wrong with my system. I'm not getting context menus for ANY object now. I'm pretty sure that existed when I installed F2009. The latest thing I did was install the Garritan JABB library. I guess I'll have to reinstall Finale. If I select one of these separator marks, there is nothing like hide/show or link/inlink in the text menu and there is no menu displayed if I right-click on the separator's handle. I don't find link/unlink or hide/unhide in any menu when I have the handle selected. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Craig, Sounds like something is wrong to me. Those things should be there. Chuck On Aug 16, 2008, at 4:52 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, something must be wrong with my system. I'm not getting context menus for ANY object now. I'm pretty sure that existed when I installed F2009. The latest thing I did was install the Garritan JABB library. I guess I'll have to reinstall Finale. If I select one of these separator marks, there is nothing like hide/ show or link/inlink in the text menu and there is no menu displayed if I right-click on the separator's handle. I don't find link/ unlink or hide/unhide in any menu when I have the handle selected. Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, Hide/show and link/unlink are both options in the contextual menu. And I wasn't chastising you for not having already read the section on linked parts, merely recommending that you do so. Really. There are many aspects of linked parts behavior that can be non-intuitive at first, but the manual does an excellent job of explaining how things work and why they work that way. Your question is the same question everyone has when they first start using linked parts, including me. Then I actually read the documentation (something I haven't done much of since Finale 3.0), and all became clear. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Aug 2008, at 11:10 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I would have been looking with futility in the text tool book. At some point, I think it is fair put some responsibility on the software designers. If there is a property that hides or shows a text object on a linked part, that property should be accessible in the context menu (right click), as would be the case with any properly designed Windows application. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080722-1, 07/22/2008 Tested on: 8/16/2008 5:56:18 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 230 North Garden Terrace Bellingham, WA 98225-5836 phone (360) 671-3402 fax (360) 676-6055 www.chuckisraels.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Well, something must be wrong with my system. I'm not getting context menus for ANY object now. I'm pretty sure that existed when I installed F2009. The latest thing I did was install the Garritan JABB library. I guess I'll have to reinstall Finale. If I select one of these separator marks, there is nothing like hide/show or link/inlink in the text menu and there is no menu displayed if I right-click on the separator's handle. I don't find link/unlink or hide/unhide in any menu when I have the handle selected. Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, Hide/show and link/unlink are both options in the contextual menu. And I wasn't chastising you for not having already read the section on linked parts, merely recommending that you do so. Really. There are many aspects of linked parts behavior that can be non-intuitive at first, but the manual does an excellent job of explaining how things work and why they work that way. Your question is the same question everyone has when they first start using linked parts, including me. Then I actually read the documentation (something I haven't done much of since Finale 3.0), and all became clear. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Aug 2008, at 11:10 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I would have been looking with futility in the text tool book. At some point, I think it is fair put some responsibility on the software designers. If there is a property that hides or shows a text object on a linked part, that property should be accessible in the context menu (right click), as would be the case with any properly designed Windows application. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 080722-1, 07/22/2008 Tested on: 8/16/2008 5:56:18 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
I don't know, but they are. John Howell wrote: At 11:10 PM -0400 8/15/08, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I would have been looking with futility in the text tool book. Please forgive a really dumb question, but why are staff separators considered text? John ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
I read your reply in the fashion you meant, Darcy, and immediately made a mental note to read the section in the manual you suggest. (Of, course, I haven't actually _done that_, yet, but I will, I will.) Raymond Horton Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, Hide/show and link/unlink are both options in the contextual menu. And I wasn't chastising you for not having already read the section on linked parts, merely recommending that you do so. Really. There are many aspects of linked parts behavior that can be non-intuitive at first, but the manual does an excellent job of explaining how things work and why they work that way. Your question is the same question everyone has when they first start using linked parts, including me. Then I actually read the documentation (something I haven't done much of since Finale 3.0), and all became clear. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Aug 2008, at 11:10 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I would have been looking with futility in the text tool book. At some point, I think it is fair put some responsibility on the software designers. If there is a property that hides or shows a text object on a linked part, that property should be accessible in the context menu (right click), as would be the case with any properly designed Windows application. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Hi Craig, Hide/show and link/unlink are both options in the contextual menu. And I wasn't chastising you for not having already read the section on linked parts, merely recommending that you do so. Really. There are many aspects of linked parts behavior that can be non-intuitive at first, but the manual does an excellent job of explaining how things work and why they work that way. Your question is the same question everyone has when they first start using linked parts, including me. Then I actually read the documentation (something I haven't done much of since Finale 3.0), and all became clear. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Aug 2008, at 11:10 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I would have been looking with futility in the text tool book. At some point, I think it is fair put some responsibility on the software designers. If there is a property that hides or shows a text object on a linked part, that property should be accessible in the context menu (right click), as would be the case with any properly designed Windows application. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
At 11:10 PM -0400 8/15/08, Craig Parmerlee wrote: Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I would have been looking with futility in the text tool book. Please forgive a really dumb question, but why are staff separators considered text? John -- John R. Howell, Assoc. Prof. of Music Virginia Tech Department of Music College of Liberal Arts & Human Sciences Blacksburg, Virginia, U.S.A. 24061-0240 Vox (540) 231-8411 Fax (540) 231-5034 (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) http://www.music.vt.edu/faculty/howell/howell.html "We never play anything the same way once." Shelly Manne's definition of jazz musicians. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
On Fri, August 15, 2008 11:10 pm, Craig Parmerlee wrote: > At some point, I think it is fair put some responsibility on the > software designers. If there is a property that hides or shows a text > object on a linked part, that property should be accessible in the > context menu (right click), as would be the case with any properly > designed Windows application. I'm not sure what you're talking about. Hide and Show are most definitely accessible from the context menu for these items. And the use of the override key is explained in the help file. (For what it's worth, the help file section on linked parts which Darcy recommended even has an entry titled "To show an item in the Score (and hide it in all Parts)".) Aaron. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Well, the documentation is, what, about 10,000 pages? The linked part documentation is not the first place I would have looked. I would have been looking with futility in the text tool book. At some point, I think it is fair put some responsibility on the software designers. If there is a property that hides or shows a text object on a linked part, that property should be accessible in the context menu (right click), as would be the case with any properly designed Windows application. Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Craig, You need to hide them in the parts while leaving them visible in the score. This can be done from the score by first hiding them all, then showing them again while holding down the override key. With Finale 2009's multi-page editing, it should (theoretically) be able to do this all in one go. Everyone hates to be told to RTFM, but seriously... you need to read the chapter in the Finale documentation relating to linked parts for details. It is essential reading for anyone working with linked parts. It takes five minutes to read, and will explain everything you need to know about working with linked parts. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Aug 2008, at 1:32 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: The staff separators plug-in (on F2009) is great. I've always wanted to do this. However I am having a problem that the separators are also showing up on the linked parts. There are unwanted there, of course. I see no way to prevent them from being added to the individual parts. Next best thing would be to make them unprintable. That is proving to be a problem too. You can't go to the linked parts and just delete them, because that deletes them from the score. I thought about setting them to white text, but evidently Finale doesn't allow me to change the font color. That seems like a really lame restriction. I thought at one point, Finale had properties attached to text times that would control whether or not a text item was printed. I can't find anything like that now. I tried dragging the separators off the bottom of the pages on each of my linked parts. Even that doesn't work. When I turned the page into a PDF using PDFCreator, it ended us scaling my page down enough so that it could include those separator marks. D'oh So what gives? There surely must be a way to deal with this. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Score staff separators
Hi Craig, You need to hide them in the parts while leaving them visible in the score. This can be done from the score by first hiding them all, then showing them again while holding down the override key. With Finale 2009's multi-page editing, it should (theoretically) be able to do this all in one go. Everyone hates to be told to RTFM, but seriously... you need to read the chapter in the Finale documentation relating to linked parts for details. It is essential reading for anyone working with linked parts. It takes five minutes to read, and will explain everything you need to know about working with linked parts. Cheers, - Darcy - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brooklyn, NY On 15 Aug 2008, at 1:32 PM, Craig Parmerlee wrote: The staff separators plug-in (on F2009) is great. I've always wanted to do this. However I am having a problem that the separators are also showing up on the linked parts. There are unwanted there, of course. I see no way to prevent them from being added to the individual parts. Next best thing would be to make them unprintable. That is proving to be a problem too. You can't go to the linked parts and just delete them, because that deletes them from the score. I thought about setting them to white text, but evidently Finale doesn't allow me to change the font color. That seems like a really lame restriction. I thought at one point, Finale had properties attached to text times that would control whether or not a text item was printed. I can't find anything like that now. I tried dragging the separators off the bottom of the pages on each of my linked parts. Even that doesn't work. When I turned the page into a PDF using PDFCreator, it ended us scaling my page down enough so that it could include those separator marks. D'oh So what gives? There surely must be a way to deal with this. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Score staff separators
The staff separators plug-in (on F2009) is great. I've always wanted to do this. However I am having a problem that the separators are also showing up on the linked parts. There are unwanted there, of course. I see no way to prevent them from being added to the individual parts. Next best thing would be to make them unprintable. That is proving to be a problem too. You can't go to the linked parts and just delete them, because that deletes them from the score. I thought about setting them to white text, but evidently Finale doesn't allow me to change the font color. That seems like a really lame restriction. I thought at one point, Finale had properties attached to text times that would control whether or not a text item was printed. I can't find anything like that now. I tried dragging the separators off the bottom of the pages on each of my linked parts. Even that doesn't work. When I turned the page into a PDF using PDFCreator, it ended us scaling my page down enough so that it could include those separator marks. D'oh So what gives? There surely must be a way to deal with this. ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
