Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan chord suffix woes
I have a similar problem with sus4 suffixes. I assumed that it was because of the special keystrokes required to create the superscript text, key combinations I don't have reason to remember after having created the suffixes I need. I always have to enter those suffixes by going into dialog boxes and selecting them. If there is an easy Type Into Score method for this, I'd be grateful to know it too. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Mike Casteel mike.cast...@mac.com wrote: Hello all, I have encountered a problem with Bill Duncan's ChordSuf font- namely the (addX) suffix (it is not recognized, even if it is already in my library when typing into score). I can create it easily if I enter it manually (in the chord definition dialog box) but if I type into score it will not work. Nor will it work if I create the suffix from scratch in the chord suffix editor window. In each of those cases, I get unwanted characters. I suppose this has something to do with Finale's Unicode font support? Has anyone encountered this specific problem and is there a way around it? Many thanks! Mike Casteel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan chord suffix woes
Hi Chuck and Mike, While this won't solve the underlying issue you're both talking about, I thought it would be worth mentioning another input method that can work in these situations that doesn't require using the mouse (which you may already know about). The drag is that is requires memorizing the suffix's placement in the library - the number of the box that it occupies (assuming the suffix exists already, of course). While in Type into Score, you type the letter name of the root, followed by a colon, followed by the number of the slot from the library (e.g. my add9 happens to be in slot 22, so if I type C:22 I get that symbol). If you don't have too many suffixes that you need to do this way, it's not too cumbersome, although obviously it would be preferable to be able to just type as we do for the other ones. Again, you probably know this already, but may not have had reason to use it in this context. Doug On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have a similar problem with sus4 suffixes. I assumed that it was because of the special keystrokes required to create the superscript text, key combinations I don't have reason to remember after having created the suffixes I need. I always have to enter those suffixes by going into dialog boxes and selecting them. If there is an easy Type Into Score method for this, I'd be grateful to know it too. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Mike Casteel mike.cast...@mac.com wrote: Hello all, I have encountered a problem with Bill Duncan's ChordSuf font- namely the (addX) suffix (it is not recognized, even if it is already in my library when typing into score). I can create it easily if I enter it manually (in the chord definition dialog box) but if I type into score it will not work. Nor will it work if I create the suffix from scratch in the chord suffix editor window. In each of those cases, I get unwanted characters. I suppose this has something to do with Finale's Unicode font support? Has anyone encountered this specific problem and is there a way around it? Many thanks! Mike Casteel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan chord suffix woes
Hi Doug, I do remember I used to do it this way, but it stopped working when I forgot that I needed to include the colon. Thanks for the reminder. This can be quicker if you memorize the slots for complex suffixes, so I will find this useful for things like 7#5#9 too. Thanks again, Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Doug Walter dew...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Chuck and Mike, While this won't solve the underlying issue you're both talking about, I thought it would be worth mentioning another input method that can work in these situations that doesn't require using the mouse (which you may already know about). The drag is that is requires memorizing the suffix's placement in the library - the number of the box that it occupies (assuming the suffix exists already, of course). While in Type into Score, you type the letter name of the root, followed by a colon, followed by the number of the slot from the library (e.g. my add9 happens to be in slot 22, so if I type C:22 I get that symbol). If you don't have too many suffixes that you need to do this way, it's not too cumbersome, although obviously it would be preferable to be able to just type as we do for the other ones. Again, you probably know this already, but may not have had reason to use it in this context. Doug On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have a similar problem with sus4 suffixes. I assumed that it was because of the special keystrokes required to create the superscript text, key combinations I don't have reason to remember after having created the suffixes I need. I always have to enter those suffixes by going into dialog boxes and selecting them. If there is an easy Type Into Score method for this, I'd be grateful to know it too. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Mike Casteel mike.cast...@mac.com wrote: Hello all, I have encountered a problem with Bill Duncan's ChordSuf font- namely the (addX) suffix (it is not recognized, even if it is already in my library when typing into score). I can create it easily if I enter it manually (in the chord definition dialog box) but if I type into score it will not work. Nor will it work if I create the suffix from scratch in the chord suffix editor window. In each of those cases, I get unwanted characters. I suppose this has something to do with Finale's Unicode font support? Has anyone encountered this specific problem and is there a way around it? Many thanks! Mike Casteel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan chord suffix woes
Hi Mike, Adding Unicode support to Finale 2012 has, uh, complicated the use of Bill Duncan's fonts, which have always been a bit buggy from a font-encoding perspective. First, quit Finale, then make sure all the Duncan fonts are listed in the MacSymbolFonts.txt document -- located at ~/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2012/Configuration Files. (If you're on Lion or Mountain Lion, the user Library folder is hidden -- you'll need to hold down the option key while invoking the Go menu to access your Library.) After relaunching Finale, this should fix the problem with the suffix not displaying, even if it's already in your library -- or you should be able to create a new suffix from scratch. You still won't be able to use Type Into Score anymore for most Duncan suffixes, that is completely broken using this font in Finale 2012. You'll have to use the colon-followed-by-chord-ID method. I'd hoped that switching to the new OTF versions from NPC Imaging would fix these issues with the Bill Duncan fonts once and for all. Unfortunately, the NPC versions of the chord fonts are actually even worse, with many glyphs not displaying at all in Finale 2012. It would be great if these fonts could be fixed at some point, but I'm not sure whether demand for these fonts (only available as part of the Finale Productivity bundle) warrants the expense of sorting all these issues out once and for all. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Mike Casteel mike.cast...@mac.com wrote: Hello all, I have encountered a problem with Bill Duncan's ChordSuf font- namely the (addX) suffix (it is not recognized, even if it is already in my library when typing into score). I can create it easily if I enter it manually (in the chord definition dialog box) but if I type into score it will not work. Nor will it work if I create the suffix from scratch in the chord suffix editor window. In each of those cases, I get unwanted characters. I suppose this has something to do with Finale's Unicode font support? Has anyone encountered this specific problem and is there a way around it? Many thanks! Mike Casteel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan chord suffix woes
Thanks for the tip, Doug. I will definitely be using this until we (hopefully) find a solution. It makes no sense to me how creating it in the chord definition dialog box garners the desired results but in other places there seems to be this disconnect. Nick Carter even sent me an updated font and FAN file- I just get different wrong characters. Here's hoping someone else has encountered this and has some ideas. Mike On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:40 PM, Doug Walter wrote: Hi Chuck and Mike, While this won't solve the underlying issue you're both talking about, I thought it would be worth mentioning another input method that can work in these situations that doesn't require using the mouse (which you may already know about). The drag is that is requires memorizing the suffix's placement in the library - the number of the box that it occupies (assuming the suffix exists already, of course). While in Type into Score, you type the letter name of the root, followed by a colon, followed by the number of the slot from the library (e.g. my add9 happens to be in slot 22, so if I type C:22 I get that symbol). If you don't have too many suffixes that you need to do this way, it's not too cumbersome, although obviously it would be preferable to be able to just type as we do for the other ones. Again, you probably know this already, but may not have had reason to use it in this context. Doug On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: I have a similar problem with sus4 suffixes. I assumed that it was because of the special keystrokes required to create the superscript text, key combinations I don't have reason to remember after having created the suffixes I need. I always have to enter those suffixes by going into dialog boxes and selecting them. If there is an easy Type Into Score method for this, I'd be grateful to know it too. Chuck On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Mike Casteel mike.cast...@mac.com wrote: Hello all, I have encountered a problem with Bill Duncan's ChordSuf font- namely the (addX) suffix (it is not recognized, even if it is already in my library when typing into score). I can create it easily if I enter it manually (in the chord definition dialog box) but if I type into score it will not work. Nor will it work if I create the suffix from scratch in the chord suffix editor window. In each of those cases, I get unwanted characters. I suppose this has something to do with Finale's Unicode font support? Has anyone encountered this specific problem and is there a way around it? Many thanks! Mike Casteel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale Chuck Israels 8831 SE 12th Ave. Portland, OR 97202-7097 land line: (503) 954-2107 cell phone: (360) 201-3434 www.chuckisraelsjazz.com ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan chord suffix woes
Thanks Darcy! You and Chuck were the ones I had hoped to hear from about this. Unfortunately, it looks like we're stuck. I had already taken all of the steps you mentioned below. I had just hoped that I had missed a step in the process. Bummer. Thanks again to Doug for refreshing my memory about the :slot# method. Mike On Dec 17, 2012, at 2:24 PM, Darcy James Argue wrote: Hi Mike, Adding Unicode support to Finale 2012 has, uh, complicated the use of Bill Duncan's fonts, which have always been a bit buggy from a font-encoding perspective. First, quit Finale, then make sure all the Duncan fonts are listed in the MacSymbolFonts.txt document -- located at ~/Library/Application Support/MakeMusic/Finale 2012/Configuration Files. (If you're on Lion or Mountain Lion, the user Library folder is hidden -- you'll need to hold down the option key while invoking the Go menu to access your Library.) After relaunching Finale, this should fix the problem with the suffix not displaying, even if it's already in your library -- or you should be able to create a new suffix from scratch. You still won't be able to use Type Into Score anymore for most Duncan suffixes, that is completely broken using this font in Finale 2012. You'll have to use the colon-followed-by-chord-ID method. I'd hoped that switching to the new OTF versions from NPC Imaging would fix these issues with the Bill Duncan fonts once and for all. Unfortunately, the NPC versions of the chord fonts are actually even worse, with many glyphs not displaying at all in Finale 2012. It would be great if these fonts could be fixed at some point, but I'm not sure whether demand for these fonts (only available as part of the Finale Productivity bundle) warrants the expense of sorting all these issues out once and for all. Cheers, - DJA - WEB: http://www.secretsocietymusic.org On Dec 17, 2012, at 12:02 PM, Mike Casteel mike.cast...@mac.com wrote: Hello all, I have encountered a problem with Bill Duncan's ChordSuf font- namely the (addX) suffix (it is not recognized, even if it is already in my library when typing into score). I can create it easily if I enter it manually (in the chord definition dialog box) but if I type into score it will not work. Nor will it work if I create the suffix from scratch in the chord suffix editor window. In each of those cases, I get unwanted characters. I suppose this has something to do with Finale's Unicode font support? Has anyone encountered this specific problem and is there a way around it? Many thanks! Mike Casteel ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan chord suffix woes
I print-screened the chord suffix selection pages and keep them at hand. I have the most common ones memorized. If you load different chord libraries, or delete chords, that will affect the numbering. Giz Richmond VA |-Original Message- |From: finale-boun...@shsu.edu [mailto:finale-boun...@shsu.edu] On Behalf Of |Chuck Israels |Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 3:06 PM |To: finale@shsu.edu |Subject: Re: [Finale] Bill Duncan chord suffix woes | |Hi Doug, | |I do remember I used to do it this way, but it stopped working when I forgot that I |needed to include the colon. Thanks for the reminder. This can be quicker if you |memorize the slots for complex suffixes, so I will find this useful for things like |7#5#9 too. | |Thanks again, | |Chuck | | | | |On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:40 AM, Doug Walter dew...@earthlink.net wrote: | | Hi Chuck and Mike, | | While this won't solve the underlying issue you're both talking about, I thought |it would be worth mentioning another input method that can work in these |situations that doesn't require using the mouse (which you may already know |about). The drag is that is requires memorizing the suffix's placement in the |library - the number of the box that it occupies (assuming the suffix exists |already, of course). | | While in Type into Score, you type the letter name of the root, followed by a |colon, followed by the number of the slot from the library (e.g. my add9 |happens to be in slot 22, so if I type C:22 I get that symbol). | | If you don't have too many suffixes that you need to do this way, it's not too |cumbersome, although obviously it would be preferable to be able to just type as |we do for the other ones. | | Again, you probably know this already, but may not have had reason to use it in |this context. | | Doug | | | On Dec 17, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Chuck Israels wrote: | | I have a similar problem with sus4 suffixes. I assumed that it was because of |the special keystrokes required to create the superscript text, key combinations I |don't have reason to remember after having created the suffixes I need. I always |have to enter those suffixes by going into dialog boxes and selecting them. If |there is an easy Type Into Score method for this, I'd be grateful to know it too. | | Chuck | | | On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:02 AM, Mike Casteel mike.cast...@mac.com wrote: | | Hello all, | | I have encountered a problem with Bill Duncan's ChordSuf font- namely the |(addX) suffix (it is not recognized, even if it is already in my library when typing |into score). I can create it easily if I enter it manually (in the chord definition |dialog box) but if I type into score it will not work. Nor will it work if I create the |suffix from scratch in the chord suffix editor window. In each of those cases, I get |unwanted characters. I suppose this has something to do with Finale's Unicode |font support? | | Has anyone encountered this specific problem and is there a way around it? | | Many thanks! | Mike Casteel | ___ | Finale mailing list | Finale@shsu.edu | http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale | | Chuck Israels | 8831 SE 12th Ave. | Portland, OR 97202-7097 | | land line: (503) 954-2107 | cell phone: (360) 201-3434 | | www.chuckisraelsjazz.com | | ___ | Finale mailing list | Finale@shsu.edu | http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale | | | ___ | Finale mailing list | Finale@shsu.edu | http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale | |Chuck Israels |8831 SE 12th Ave. |Portland, OR 97202-7097 | |land line: (503) 954-2107 |cell phone: (360) 201-3434 | |www.chuckisraelsjazz.com | |___ |Finale mailing list |Finale@shsu.edu |http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale ___ Finale mailing list Finale@shsu.edu http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
