Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-06-03 Thread denise mooney
dear bethany and all... thank u so much for taking the time to explain to me how u feel and why concerning mandatory legislated vaccinations... one of my sisters is a microbiologist...she works in a hospital lab now but just a few years ago, she worked for over a year for phizer in their vacci

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-06-02 Thread Pat Meadows
On Mon, 02 Jun 2008 09:07:07 -0400, you wrote: >Does a healthy life style help in preventing disease? Yes. But don't >forget that the flu pandemic of the early 1900s was particularly deadly >to strong, young men. Living a clean and healthy life is a good idea for >the benefits it brings to ones

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-06-02 Thread Joel and Sarah Gagnon
You have made the case for individualism about as well as it can be made. It resonates strongly in our contemporary American culture, but it does not serve it or the future of the world well. A culture of self-sacrifice for the common good would be a better perspective, I suggest. I'm not su

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-06-02 Thread Bethany Schroeder
Denise, You've asked a really good question about personal choice and how decisions regarding immunizations can affect others. Many immunizations work because most people in a given region agree to take them. Vaccines, however, don't confer 100% protection on a population, but if almost everyone

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-06-01 Thread Eponasride
As much as I dislike the government in general and government interference in particular, I have to agree with Jon. We do need to keep an eye on the pharmaceutical companies. However, lets not throw the baby out with the bath water. My g-g grandmother lost all three of her children in on

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-06-01 Thread denise mooney
hey u all... i wish u wouldnt equate the earth being flat, the easter bunny and the tooth fairy w the suspicion that mandatory vaccinations r not 100% beneficial... it makes those of us who r suspicious about it sound superstitious and irrational...and i dont think that is the case here... if

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-31 Thread Thomas Shelley
Dear Friends--I couldn't agree with Jon's post more. If a person believes that yoga and exercise and eating fairly well are going to prevent them from succumbing to a pandemic outbreak of a disease from which the average person could be protected by a vaccine then he or she probably believes in

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-31 Thread Jon Bosak
I've managed to hold back so far on joining this thread, but it's becoming pretty clear that some people simply don't understand how vaccination works or the role it has played in changing the incidence of infectious disease in this country over the last hundred years. Chris Eshleman asks: > Is

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-31 Thread Chris Eshleman
e. Chris > Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 01:06:47 -0400 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: fingerlakespermaculture@lists.mutualaid.org > Subject: Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL > VaccinesMandatory! > > The use of antibacterial soap and immunizing against disea

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-30 Thread Bethany Schroeder
I wish we all had the good sense do the right thing (and to know what's right) without the State making our actions mandatory. Bethany Andy Goodell wrote: > I am not trying to say that antibacterial soap is the same thing as > vaccinations. I am just pointing out that we can debate at what li

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-30 Thread Andy Goodell
I am not trying to say that antibacterial soap is the same thing as vaccinations. I am just pointing out that we can debate at what line we think is acceptable forever. Who is to say that we all need to use vaccinations, antibiotics, or soap? And what about Gardasil? I know it's probably been te

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-29 Thread Bethany Schroeder
The use of antibacterial soap and immunizing against diseases as devastating as TB are simply not the same thing. I agree that we overprotect ourselves with obsessive cleansing of our own surfaces and those of our surroundings, and I also believe that we overuse antibiotics, something Garrett and o

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-29 Thread Andy Goodell
I can understand why vaccinations are important, but at the same time, it is not something which everyone will agree with. What would happen if antibacterial soap was required by everyone? It seems like something that would help health, but I would oppose using it on a regular basis. I believe t

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-29 Thread Bethany Schroeder
I second Joe's note of caution. I've been involved with public health for many years and have seen the increased number of people, especially kids, with preventable infectious diseases due to a lack of immunization. Some of you may be aware that we in Tompkins County recently had a serious outb

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-29 Thread Thomas Shelley
Dear Friends--I whole heartedly endorse Joe Wetmore's position on vaccines. If we lived in a third world country with pandemics of preventable diseases, we would be begging for vaccines to prevent the mass death of our loved ones. For some to refuse vaccines at the peril of the public health

Re: [FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

2008-05-29 Thread Joseph Wetmore
Hi We live in a time when infectious diseases are relatively under control, and have been for most of the population's lives. This has caused people to be more afraid of the Vaccines than the diseases then prevent. This is unfortunate. Tuberculosis, meningitis, pertussis, poliomyelitis, diphtheri

[FLPERMACULTURE] Fwd: New York Trying to Make ALL Vaccines Mandatory!

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