Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-02-01 Thread Benjamin Reed
Martin Costabel wrote: I really don't think we should have packages install their stuff directly in /sw/Applications in their install phase; instead I think we I'm not sure if I understand you here. The finkcommander package builds in /sw/src/finkcommander-0.5.1-2/FinkCommander and installs int

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-02-01 Thread David R. Morrison
Here's an extended quote from Apple's Human Interface Guidelines document: By default, applications should be installed in /Applications, where they are accessible to all users on that particular computer. It may be appropriate to install some applications in the Applications folder in a user?s h

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-02-01 Thread Martin Costabel
Benjamin Reed wrote: [] I really don't think we should have packages install their stuff directly in /sw/Applications in their install phase; instead I think we I'm not sure if I understand you here. The finkcommander package builds in /sw/src/finkcommander-0.5.1-2/FinkCommander and installs int

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-02-01 Thread Benjamin Reed
Martin Costabel wrote: David R. Morrison wrote: (And I have to admit I haven't understood why Aliases should be preferred here... a command-line-oriented program like Fink will have an easier time manipulating symlinks, I would think.) For one thing, aliases preserve the app's icon. I put a ne

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-02-01 Thread Martin Costabel
David R. Morrison wrote: (And I have to admit I haven't understood why Aliases should be preferred here... a command-line-oriented program like Fink will have an easier time manipulating symlinks, I would think.) For one thing, aliases preserve the app's icon. I put a new version of my finkcomman

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-02-01 Thread David R. Morrison
I think I might be the one responsible for the suggestion that we should "hide" the location where we store Fink applications. I was under the impression -- which I now discover is incorrect -- that /sw was hidden in the Finder by default. (This raises an interesting question about whether we sho

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-02-01 Thread Benjamin Reed
Matthias Neeracher wrote: I'm somewhat uncomfortable with .Applications, as that would make a potentially large directory invisible from the Finder. I agree that our objective here is to make the directory "invisible" so users don't mess with the contents, but I feel that this could be achieved

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-02-01 Thread Martin Costabel
Matthias Neeracher wrote: 2. Foo.app and Foo.framework are installed to /sw/.Applications and /sw/Library/Frameworks respectively. I'm somewhat uncomfortable with .Applications, as that would make a potentially large directory invisible from the Finder. I agree that our objective here is

[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-31 Thread Matthias Neeracher
Benjamin Reed: Darian Lanx: except for the Frameworks dir. I don't see fink ever needing a PrivateFrameworks dir though. Right, no PrivateFrameworks, Mostly agreed. PrivateFrameworks is for non-public frameworks, and open source frameworks are pretty much public by definition. but I still thin

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-30 Thread Lloyd Budd
On 27-Jan-04, at 17:15, Kevin Horton wrote: At 18:51 -0800 26/1/04, Matthias Neeracher wrote: From: Darian Lanx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Martin Costabel wrote: D. H=F6hn wrote: I do not quite understand why. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not completely opposed, I just do not get why. We are

Re: [Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-30 Thread Matthias Neeracher
On Jan 30, 2004, at 5:49 PM, Kevin Horton wrote: At 20:29 -0800 29/1/04, Matthias Neeracher wrote: I just had a peek over there, and there are indeed a small number of packages that don't seem to be getting acted upon at all (The oldest of them seems to be xkbsw). The vast majority, however, did

[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-30 Thread Kevin Horton
At 20:29 -0800 29/1/04, Matthias Neeracher wrote: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 18:51 -0800 26/1/04, Matthias Neeracher wrote: >Could you explain in what way NOT allowing .app bundle >packages enriches fink currently? > >If native KDE runs everythi

[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-30 Thread Matthias Neeracher
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kevin Horton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 18:51 -0800 26/1/04, Matthias Neeracher wrote: > >Could you explain in what way NOT allowing .app bundle > >packages enriches fink currently? > > > >If native KDE runs everything that KDE/X11 does and looks good, then > >

[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-29 Thread Kevin Horton
At 18:51 -0800 26/1/04, Matthias Neeracher wrote: From: Darian Lanx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Martin Costabel wrote: D. H=F6hn wrote: I do not quite understand why. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not completely opposed, I just do not get why. We are good at something, which is packaging Unix bas

[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-26 Thread Matthias Neeracher
From: Darian Lanx <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Martin Costabel wrote: D. H=F6hn wrote: I do not quite understand why. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not completely opposed, I just do not get why. We are good at something, which is packaging Unix based applications. The underlying technology is sui

[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-26 Thread Chris Zubrzycki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 26, 2004, at 5:32 PM, Martin Costabel wrote: David R. Morrison wrote: My proposal is that we place .app's in /sw/Applications, and then in a postinstall script, set up a symlink from /Applications to the actual .app. It would be better to mak

[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in Fink

2004-01-26 Thread Chris Zubrzycki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jan 26, 2004, at 1:42 AM, D. Höhn wrote: |>I think we will have to restart the old discussion of /sw/Applications, |>too. And I mean a real discussion, not the hasty erection of religious |>taboos as we had in the past. I would really love to see t

[Fink-devel] Re: .app's in fink

2003-01-12 Thread pluto5000
On Sunday, January 12, 2003, at 05:50 PM, John Davidorff Pell wrote: ... P.S. I have so many permissions problems in OSX that I've made cron jobs to fix it all every night (over-kill, but it works) so making /sw/Applications writable only by root probably won't work. hell, / isn't even only