Re: [Fis] meaningful information

2011-07-20 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Steven, I would certainly not specify "meaning" as behavior, but consider it as an operation internal to a system of reference. My research question in the mentioned paper is how discursive knowledge can be considered as a further codification in the communication of meaning ("a meaning that

Re: [Fis] meaningful information

2011-07-20 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Steven, I would certainly not specify "meaning" as behavior, but consider it as an operation internal to a system of reference. My research question in the mentioned paper is how discursive knowledge can be considered as a further codification in the communication of meaning ("a meaning that

Re: [Fis] meaningful information

2011-07-20 Thread Guy A Hoelzer
This is an interesting question. What is the meaning of meaning? I would define as something like "the affects of perception on a perceiving system". Once a system has been affected it might change its behavior, but I would hesitate to equate a behavioral response directly to the meaning of a per

Re: [Fis] meaningful information

2011-07-20 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
There is a lot of concept overloading in the community involving the term "meaning." So it would help me if you and Antony could just give a one sentence definition of the term. For example, for me: meaning = the behavior that is the product of apprehending a sign. Which is an extreme

Re: [Fis] meaningful inforamtion

2011-07-20 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, Some of you may be interested in this context in my forthcoming article “ "Meaning" as a sociological concept: A review of the modeling, mapping, and simulation of the communication of knowledge and meaning, Social Science Information 50(3-4) (2011) 1-23. In preprint availab

Re: [Fis] meaningful inforamtion

2011-07-20 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
Hello FIS, On mentioning of Braitenberg’s book “Information - der Geist in der Natur”, Søren Brier made me aware of an older work in a similar spirit - Danish physicist’s Hans Christian Ørsted’s (1777-1851) “The soul in nature”, here digitalized by Google: http://www.archive.org/stream/soulinnat

Re: [Fis] meaningful inforamtion

2011-07-20 Thread Robin Faichney
Title: Re: [Fis] meaningful inforamtion Hi Pedro and Anthony, Valentino Braitenberg has a book out this year in German: Information - der Geist in der Natur My knowledge of German is dismal, but it seems to be about information as the "spirit" or "mind" of nature. This would be consistent with

Re: [Fis] meaningful inforamtion

2011-07-20 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Thanks, Anthony, for the info on your book. As you will see during future discussion sessions (currently we are in the vacation pause) some parties in this list maintain positions not far away from your own views. In our archive you can check accumulated mails about the matter you propose --e.g