Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-04-02 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Joe, However, I rather tend to agree with you that Loet's, Rosen's and Dubois' models of communication, anticipation, etc. are somewhat too abstract. The models, as I think Loet may agree, are created for analysis, and do not define the physical, dynamic relation between the models,

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-04-01 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS colleagues, I have some differences about the epistemic stance recently discussed by Karl, Loet (and in part, Joseph, but he looks more as trying to step on the reality, whatever it is). Basically, their informational subject looks like the abstract, disembodied, non-situated,

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-04-01 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
:29 AM To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles Dear FIS colleagues, I have some differences about the epistemic stance recently discussed by Karl, Loet (and in part, Joseph, but he looks more as trying to step on the reality

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and OrderingPrinciples

2011-04-01 Thread Krassimir Markov
. I think we made step to the next discussion. It is nice to meet Mark! Friendly regards Krassimir -Original Message- From: Loet Leydesdorff Sent: Friday, April 01, 2011 1:14 PM To: 'Pedro C. Marijuan' ; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-04-01 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
: 01.04.2011 12:14 An: 'Pedro C. Marijuan'pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es, fis@listas.unizar.es Betreff: Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles Dear Pedro, I understand that you have some problems with my epistemic stance. Let me try to clarify. Let me go back

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-04-01 Thread Stanley N Salthe
part de* joe.bren...@bluewin.ch *Envoyé :* vendredi 1 avril 2011 19:38 *À :* l...@leydesdorff.net; 'Pedro C. Marijuan'; fis@listas.unizar.es *Objet :* Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles Dear Pedro, I do not quite recognize myself in the statement

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-04-01 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
C. Marijuan'; fis@listas.unizar.esmailto:fis@listas.unizar.es Objet : Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles Dear Pedro, I do not quite recognize myself in the statement: Basically, their informational subject looks like the abstract, disembodied, non

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-03-28 Thread joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
to hearing from you. Best wishes, Joseph Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: karl.javors...@gmail.com Datum: 27.03.2011 11:41 An: Pedro C. Marijuanpcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Kopie: fis@listas.unizar.es Betreff: Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam Dear James, thank you for the widening

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-03-28 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
An: Pedro C. Marijuanpcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Kopie: fis@listas.unizar.es Betreff: Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam Dear James, thank you for the widening of this discussion. Order and Information Let us not close this session on the historical perspective of the modern concept of Science

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam. Orders and Ordering Principles

2011-03-28 Thread karl javorszky
. Best wishes, Joseph Ursprüngliche Nachricht Von: karl.javors...@gmail.com Datum: 27.03.2011 11:41 An: Pedro C. Marijuanpcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es Kopie: fis@listas.unizar.es Betreff: Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam Dear James, thank you for the widening

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam

2011-03-27 Thread karl javorszky
Dear James, thank you for the widening of this discussion. Order and Information Let us not close this session on the historical perspective of the modern concept of Science yet. Loet’s thoughtful remarks about the relation between information and order bring us back to some deep problems they

[Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam

2011-03-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear all, Thank you very much to Pedro for asking me to suggest a discussion for the list and to everyone else for indulging me. As a historian, I have learnt that questions I naively thought were quite simple have turned out to be very complicated indeed. The purpose of history, I

Re: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam

2011-03-24 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
. Marijuan Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 12:02 PM To: fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: [Fis] Discussion colophon--James Hannam Dear all, Thank you very much to Pedro for asking me to suggest a discussion for the list and to everyone else for indulging me. As a historian, I have learnt