Re: [Fis] MEPP

2015-01-10 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Terry -- Replying T: Stan: Abiotic dissipative structures will degrade their gradients as fast as possible given the bearing constraints. They are unconditional maximizers. Life that has survived has been able to apply conditions upon its entropy production, but that does not mean that it has

Re: [Fis] MEPP

2015-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
Hi Stan, T: Thanks for the references. I am embarrassed to say that I don't think that I have read the two by Kampis. I will post references for the MEPP critiques and counter-examples later next week. I am in Oslo at the moment and don't have many resources at my disposal. Since MEPP is not the

Re: [Fis] MEPP

2015-01-10 Thread PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
De: Fis [fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] en nombre de Terrence W. DEACON [dea...@berkeley.edu] Enviado el: sábado, 10 de enero de 2015 20:14 Para: Stanley N Salthe Cc: fis Asunto: Re: [Fis] MEPP [...] Since MEPP is not the point of the paper and the information

Re: [Fis] MEPP

2015-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
PS: Oops, slight misstatement re B convection. Of course the gradient can be reduced by the convection process. On 1/10/15, Terrence W. DEACON dea...@berkeley.edu wrote: Hi Stan, T: Thanks for the references. I am embarrassed to say that I don't think that I have read the two by Kampis. I

[Fis] MEPP

2015-01-09 Thread Stanley N Salthe
TD: Autogenesis is also not a Maximum Entropy Production process because it halts dissipation before its essential self-preserving constraints are degraded and therefore does not exhaust the gradient(s) on which its persistence depends. S: Abiotic dissipative structures will degrade their