Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, I see informational processes as essentially being proto-scientific – how is any science not an informational process? The sciences, in my opinion, are different in terms of what is communicated. As Maturana noted, the communication of molecules generates a biology.

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Dai Griffiths
Thanks Loet, that is helpful, and makes intuitively good sense. But I remain puzzled. I see two distinct cases: Case 1: For molecules 'communication' consists of interaction between the molecules themselves, resulting in biology. Similarly, for atoms 'communication' consists of interaction

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Dai Griffiths
Thanks Robert, I agree with what you say about DNA, so I may be on the same slippery path to catastrophic heterodoxy! In responding to the question what is information, started by Marcus, I was pointing out what seemed to me to be a shifting definition of 'communication', and wondering if

Re: [Fis] What are information and science?

2015-05-20 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Dai: To say that molecules only interact directly is to ignore the metabolic matrix that constitutes the actual agency in living systems. For example, we read everywhere how DNA/RNA directs development, when the molecule itself is a passive material cause. It is the network of proteomic and