Re: [Fis] _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Soren, In my opinion, there are two issues here (again J ): 1. the issue of non-verbal (e.g., bodily) communication; 2. the meta-biological or transdisciplinary integration vs. the differentiation among the disciplines. Ad 1. Although I don't agree with Luhmann on many things, h

[Fis] _ _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren, I want to make a further comment on "It thus seems obvious that Bateson's “pattern that con­nects” includes the phenomeno­logical-emotional dimen­sion in its concept of mind but viewed as computational thoughts of relation, not as first person experiences. Cybernetics does not have

[Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren, Excellent! What it amounts to is that you and I interpret all this a bit differently. I am happy with Bateson’s unmarked states and his "All that is for the preacher > The hypnotist, therapist and missionary > They will c

[Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Louis H Kauffman
Dear Soren, If you were to read the dialogues with Mary Catherine Bateson (as a child) and Gregory Bateson in “Steps to an Ecology of Mind”, you might change your notion of what sort of view of the observer is being studied in cybernetics. It is all, through and through about a feeling for and a

Re: [Fis] _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Gordana Dodig-Crnkovic
Dear colleagues, In my understanding, both Loet and Søren are right. Loet about how sciences look like today and Sören about the need of integrative processes in the future. Sören: Thus the question is how can we establish an alternative transdisciplinary model of the sciences and the humaniti

Re: [Fis] _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Thus the question is how can we establish an alternative transdisciplinary model of the sciences and the humanities to the logical positivist reductionism on one hand and to postmodernist relativist constructivism on the other in the form of a transdisciplinary concept of Wissenschaft (i.e. “knowle

Re: [Fis] _ Re: _ DISCUSSION SESSION: INFOBIOSEMIOTICS

2016-04-02 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Caro Louis e Cari Tutti, tutta la mia più che cinquantennale ricerca si basa proprio sull'informazione semiotica unita all'informazione naturale o termodinamica, genetica e matematica. Anzi ho incontrato e conosciuto Pedro, se non ricordo male, il 17-22 setmbre 2002 ad Acireale (Catania) si è svolt

[Fis] _ Re: Fis Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3

2016-04-02 Thread Dr. Plamen L. Simeonov
Dear Rukhsan, thank you for your kind message. Please leave the polite qualification “Dr.’ We are all Drs here ;-) Our minds are entangled. I just sent you and Lou a message privately, because I think that the open FIS discussion on math was closed and we should let the forum discuss the next topi

[Fis] _ Re: Fis Digest, Vol 25, Issue 3

2016-04-02 Thread Rukhsanulhaq
Dear Dr Plamen I find many common themes in your work and my approach to the foundational questions of physics mathematics and biology. I find integral biomaths approach very appealing and it fits very well with my understanding from quantum field theory approach to quantum matter. I would like to