Re: [Fis] THE SOCIOTYPE: SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS AND BEYOND
Loet, your criticism is very accurate, thanks. But I really think, as said Jorge, that our sociality has to have a fairly stable structure, that is to say, lower and upper limits that feed our mental wellbeing. It's not fixed, of course, but individuals become integral embodiments of emotions, and most of the active components of these emotions reside in our social environment. Evolutionarily we have developed this social dependence, and therefore the absence of such bonds, or the feeling of not having them, is devastating to our health --both physical and mental, as emphasized by numerous studies. Dear Raquel: Expectations of social structure are extremely stable without materialization. For example, the expectation of the rule of law. These are anchored/reflected in codes of communications. One does not have to appeal to a global brain. It seems a mystification to me. Of course, the social expectations when codified leave footprints behind in the form of institutions. For example, courts and parliaments as places where one enacts the rule of law. Best, Loet ___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] THE SOCIOTYPE: SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS AND BEYOND
Dear Raquel, Loet and FIS Colleagues, Yes, “global brain” is mystification. One may find similarity between organization of society and human brain. But this is the same kind of similarity as to mechanism, computer, clock, etc. . Such similarities may be used to generate some new ideas or to break down old paradigms. Social organization is a separate level of living matter hierarchy with specific “emerged” [Ashby] features. There is no direct “smooth” transition from one level of living matter to another. What is common for all levels of living matter organization are the “information phenomena and processes” which (of course!) are specific for different levels. Because the information is a kind of reflection and the reflection is attribute of the matter. If one ask me what is the “emerged” feature of human society, my answer will be “the natural languages” and information interaction based on linguistic constructions. Friendly regards Krassimir From: Loet Leydesdorff Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:11 PM To: 'Raquel del Moral' ; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] THE SOCIOTYPE: SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS AND BEYOND Loet, your criticism is very accurate, thanks. But I really think, as said Jorge, that our sociality has to have a fairly stable structure, that is to say, lower and upper limits that feed our mental wellbeing. It's not fixed, of course, but individuals become integral embodiments of emotions, and most of the active components of these emotions reside in our social environment. Evolutionarily we have developed this social dependence, and therefore the absence of such bonds, or the feeling of not having them, is devastating to our health --both physical and mental, as emphasized by numerous studies. Dear Raquel: Expectations of social structure are extremely stable without materialization. For example, the expectation of the rule of law. These are anchored/reflected in codes of communications. One does not have to appeal to a “global brain”. It seems a mystification to me. Of course, the social expectations when codified leave footprints behind in the form of institutions. For example, courts and parliaments as places where one enacts the rule of law. Best, Loet ___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis ___ fis mailing list fis@listas.unizar.es https://webmail.unizar.es/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fis
Re: [Fis] THE SOCIOTYPE: SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS AND BEYOND
Krassimir -- you said:
Social organization is a separate level of living matter hierarchy with
specific “emerged” [Ashby] features.
There is no direct “smooth” transition from one level of living matter to
another.
What is common for all levels of living matter organization are the
“information phenomena and processes” which (of course!) are specific for
different levels.
I understand your hierarchy to be a subsumptive one -- thus:
{physical realm {material realm {biological realm {socioeconomic realm.
Your statements are correct in this context.
STAN
On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Krassimir Markov mar...@foibg.com wrote:
Dear Raquel, Loet and FIS Colleagues,
Yes, “global brain” is mystification.
One may find similarity between organization of society and human brain.
But this is the same kind of similarity as to mechanism, computer, clock,
etc. .
Such similarities may be used to generate some new ideas or to break down
old paradigms.
Social organization is a separate level of living matter hierarchy with
specific “emerged” [Ashby] features.
There is no direct “smooth” transition from one level of living matter to
another.
What is common for all levels of living matter organization are the
“information phenomena and processes” which (of course!) are specific for
different levels.
Because the information is a kind of reflection and the reflection is
attribute of the matter.
If one ask me what is the “emerged” feature of human society, my answer
will be “the natural languages” and information interaction based on
linguistic constructions.
Friendly regards
Krassimir
*From:* Loet Leydesdorff l...@leydesdorff.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, October 08, 2013 5:11 PM
*To:* 'Raquel del Moral' rdelmoral.i...@aragon.es ; fis@listas.unizar.es
*Subject:* Re: [Fis] THE SOCIOTYPE: SOCIAL RELATIONSHIPS AND BEYOND
Loet, your criticism is very accurate, thanks. But I really think, as said
Jorge, that our sociality has to have a fairly stable structure, that is
to say, lower and upper limits that feed our mental wellbeing. It's not
fixed,
of course, but individuals become integral embodiments of emotions, and
most of the active components of these emotions reside in our social
environment. Evolutionarily we have developed this social dependence, and
therefore the absence of such bonds, or the feeling of not having them, is
devastating to our health --both physical and mental, as emphasized by
numerous
studies.
Dear Raquel:
Expectations of social structure are extremely stable without
materialization. For example, the expectation of the rule of law. These are
anchored/reflected in codes of communications. One does not have to appeal
to a “global brain”. It seems a mystification to me.
Of course, the social expectations when codified leave footprints behind
in the form of institutions. For example, courts and parliaments as places
where one enacts the rule of law.
Best,
Loet
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