Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-11 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Dear Nikhil, As regards ecosystems, some 20% or so of bound energy is retained via cycling, but the primary function of cycling as conservator is with limiting elements. Often 70+% of necessary elements are retained via cycling within the system. This becomes very evident when one regards coral re

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research:

2015-12-11 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FISers, I agree with Loet's views (for once! :-) ). The energy flow supporting the biosphere and society as a whole have not much explanatory power regarding the bonding complexity of contemporary societies. Of course, it is an interesting exercise, particularly concerning the limits of

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-11 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, I don’t consider it as fruitful to recycle the argument that society were to be modeled as a meta-biology. The biological explanation can perhaps explain behavior of individuals and institutions; but social coordination more generally involves also the dynamics of expectati

Re: [Fis] Sustainability through multilevel research: The Lifel, Deep Society Build-A-Thon - 1

2015-12-11 Thread Nikhil Joshi
Dear Guy and FIS colleagues, Thank you for your comments and the copy of your article. Your views on the roots of biological systems and their evolution in dissipate systems are very interesting. Your paper reminds me of a paper by Virgo and Froese on how simple dissipative structures can demons