Dear Pedro,
Dear FIS colleagues,
Because our current discussion (dubbed "Scientific Communication", announced
by Pedro at Sept. 22, 2016) has deviated from its original purpose and
shifted to our main and most relevant point of interest "What is
information", I dare to remind you about my per
Andrei, have you tried with information as "distintion on the adjacent"? It
would neatly
apply to the living but also to the physical, i think. Best --Pedro
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De: Andrei Khrennikov
Fecha: 4/11/16 16:19 (GMT+08:00)
Para:
Well, Joseph, you don't have to go far to get the desired definition of
information as an operator (produced quantity).
The only prerequisite is to be ready to discard the practice, ideas,
philosophy and ideology of the definitions relating to commutativity.
This is heresy, I understand. On the o
Dear All,
I agree with the consensus I see emerging. Andrei shows the problem of trying
to pin down a complex process with a single term - information. And I agree
with Rafael that information must have a valence. On the other hand, as such,
information cannot be completely defined mathematical
Bob,
Perhaps it is time to recall a concept we have already addressed about
information. It is the concept of meaning, the nature of which is related to
the entity managing the information (generating it or receiving it). It goes
with meaningful information as related to life and also to artific
Il en a une definition formelle, mathematique, pratique du ce qui est nomme
"information" contenu dans ma livre Ordres Naturels. Amazon et al.
Karl
On 4 Nov 2016 15:43, "Michel Godron" wrote:
I may understand why in "quantum foundations" nobody can define rigorously
the basic term "information".
Andrei, maybe the concept of message as already used by Shannon and
Weaver in specific engineering contexts (this must not be always the
case) is more appropriate and also able to speak about 'information' as
what is 'in' a message 'for' a receiver. Best. Rafael
Hello Andrei - I am with you - sh
Hello Andrei - I am with you - sharing you sentiment. Information only pertains
to living organisms and entails some signals that help them make a choice. A
black hole makes no choices - it is ruled by the laws of physics. Abiotic
systems have no information. A book is a set of signals that a re
I may understand why in "quantum foundations" nobody can define
rigorously the basic term "information".
But, in agreement with Progogine, Brillouin, etc. information mays be
defined rigorously in macro -systems.
I could explain more in french.
Cordialement. M. Godron
Le 04/11/2016 à 09:17,
Dear all,
I want to comment so called information approach to physics, by speaking with
hundreds of leading experts
in quantum foundations, I found that nobody can define rigorously the basic
term "information" which is so widely
used in their theories and discussions, the answers are as
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