Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-04 Thread PEDRO CLEMENTE MARIJUAN FERNANDEZ
Andrei, have you tried with information as "distintion on the adjacent"? It would neatly apply to the living but also to the physical, i think. Best --Pedro Enviado desde mi dispositivo Samsung Mensaje original De: Andrei Khrennikov Fecha:

Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-04 Thread Karl Javorszky
Well, Joseph, you don't have to go far to get the desired definition of information as an operator (produced quantity). The only prerequisite is to be ready to discard the practice, ideas, philosophy and ideology of the definitions relating to commutativity. This is heresy, I understand. On the

Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-04 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear All, I agree with the consensus I see emerging. Andrei shows the problem of trying to pin down a complex process with a single term - information. And I agree with Rafael that information must have a valence. On the other hand, as such, information cannot be completely defined

Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-04 Thread Rafael Capurro
Andrei, maybe the concept of message as already used by Shannon and Weaver in specific engineering contexts (this must not be always the case) is more appropriate and also able to speak about 'information' as what is 'in' a message 'for' a receiver. Best. Rafael Hello Andrei - I am with you -

Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-04 Thread Bob Logan
Hello Andrei - I am with you - sharing you sentiment. Information only pertains to living organisms and entails some signals that help them make a choice. A black hole makes no choices - it is ruled by the laws of physics. Abiotic systems have no information. A book is a set of signals that a

Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-04 Thread Michel Godron
I may understand why in "quantum foundations" nobody can define rigorously the basic term "information". But, in agreement with Progogine, Brillouin, etc. information mays be defined rigorously in macro -systems. I could explain more in french. Cordialement. M. Godron Le 04/11/2016 à

Re: [Fis] Is quantum information the basis of spacetime?

2016-11-04 Thread Andrei Khrennikov
Dear all, I want to comment so called information approach to physics, by speaking with hundreds of leading experts in quantum foundations, I found that nobody can define rigorously the basic term "information" which is so widely used in their theories and discussions, the answers are as