Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2017-01-11 Thread Christophe
n Science; Dai Griffiths Objet : Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? Leot remarks: "... we need a kind of calculus of redundancy." I agree whole-heartedly. What for Shannon was the key to error-correction is thus implicitly normative. But of course assessment of normati

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?; towards a calculus of redundancy

2017-01-10 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
From: Terrence W. DEACON [mailto:dea...@berkeley.edu] Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 8:15 PM To: John Collier Cc: l...@leydesdorff.net; Dai Griffiths; Foundations of Information Science Information Science Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? Leot remarks: &qu

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2017-01-10 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
*On Behalf Of *Loet > Leydesdorff > *Sent:* December 31, 2016 12:16 AM > *To:* 'Terrence W. DEACON' ; 'Dai Griffiths' < > dai.griffith...@gmail.com>; 'Foundations of Information Science > Information Science' > > *Subject:* Re: [Fis] What is inform

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2017-01-10 Thread John Collier
: 'Terrence W. DEACON' ; 'Dai Griffiths' ; 'Foundations of Information Science Information Science' Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? We agree that such a theory is a ways off, though you some are far more pessimisitic about its possibility than

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-31 Thread Francesco Rizzo
sdorff > > Professor, University of Amsterdam > Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR) > > l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/ > Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of > Sussex; > > Guest Professor Zhej

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-31 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
or, <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/> Birkbeck, University of London; http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en From: Dick Stoute [mailto:dick.sto...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 12:48 PM To: l...@leydesdorff.net Cc: James Peters; u...@umces.edu; Alex Hankey;

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-30 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
e very constraints on the >>>> release of energy that then constitutes work and the propagation of >>>> organization.” I asked several times what this means and how one can >>>> measure this information. Hitherto, I only obtained the answer that >>>>

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-29 Thread Francesco Rizzo
s >>> that “counting” may lead to populism. J >>> >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Loet >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Loet Leydesdorff >>> >>> Professor, Unive

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-29 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
sociate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of >> Sussex; >> >> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>, >> Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, >> <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing;

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-29 Thread Dai Griffiths
<mailto:l...@leydesdorff.net> *Cc:* James Peters; u...@umces.edu <mailto:u...@umces.edu>; Alex Hankey; FIS Webinar *Subject:* Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? List, Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated

[Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-26 Thread Christophe
De : Fis de la part de Loet Leydesdorff Envoyé : lundi 26 décembre 2016 14:01 À : 'Terrence W. DEACON'; 'Francesco Rizzo'; 'fis' Objet : Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? In this respect Loet comments: "In my opinion, t

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-26 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
In this respect Loet comments: "In my opinion, the status of Shannon’s mathematical theory of information is different from special theories of information (e.g., biological ones) since the formal theory enables us to translate between these latter theories." We are essentially in agreem

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-24 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
arch (ASCoR) >> >> l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/ >> Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of >> Sussex; >> >> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>, >> Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, IS

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-24 Thread Francesco Rizzo
gzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, > <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing; > > Visiting Professor, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of > London; > > http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en > > > > *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-bou

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-23 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Terrence W. DEACON Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:33 AM To: fis Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? Against information fundamentali

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-22 Thread Stanley N Salthe
lar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en> > http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en > > > > *From:* Dick Stoute [mailto:dick.sto...@gmail.com ] > > *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 12:48 PM > *To:* l...@leydesdorff.net > *Cc:* James

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-22 Thread Terrence W. DEACON
; Best, >> Loet >> >> -- >> Loet Leydesdorff >> Professor, University of Amsterdam >> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR) >> l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/ >> >> Associate Faculty

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-22 Thread Dai Griffiths
eters; u...@umces.edu; Alex Hankey; FIS Webinar *Subject:* Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? List, Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated below. 1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive ("bizarre"); (

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-20 Thread Mark Johnson
gt;University of > Sussex; > Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>, > Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC, > <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing; > Visiting Professor, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of > London; > htt

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-20 Thread Bob Logan
holar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYJ&hl=en> From: Dick Stoute [mailto:dick.sto...@gmail.com <mailto:dick.sto...@gmail.com>] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 12:48 PM To: l...@leydesdorff.net <mailto:l...@leydesdorff.net> Cc: James Peters; u...@umces.edu <mailto:u...@umc

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-20 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
48 PM To: l...@leydesdorff.net Cc: James Peters; u...@umces.edu; Alex Hankey; FIS Webinar Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life? List, Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated below. 1. the definition of information as uncertainty is count

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-19 Thread Bob Logan
Dear Dick - I loved your analysis. You are right on the money. It also explains why Shannon dominated the field of information. He had a mathematical formula and there is nothing more appealing to a scientist than a mathematical formula. But you are right his formula only tells us of how many bi

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-19 Thread Karl Javorszky
What is Information? Once more, Occam and the numbers give a simple, short and concise explanation. (There is more text and a formal definition of information in my book “Natural Orders” ISBN: 9783990571378.) The root of the term “information” is in the concept of order. The idea of order can

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-19 Thread Dick Stoute
List, Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated below. 1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive ("bizarre"); (p. 27) I agree. I struggled with this definition for a long time before realising that Shannon was really discussing "a

Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?

2016-12-18 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear James and colleagues, Weaver (1949) made two major remarks about his coauthor (Shannon)'s contribution: 1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive ("bizarre"); (p. 27) 2. "In particular, information must not be confused with meaning." (p. 8) The definit

Re: [Fis] What is Information? - Propagating Organization in the Biosphere, the Symbolosphere, the Technosphere and the Econosphere

2016-06-17 Thread Moisés André Nisenbaum
Hi, Bob. It is an awesome book! I read the Portuguese version. I am happy to know that it is available online for everyone :-) Kind regards. Moisés 2016-06-15 18:21 GMT-03:00 Bob Logan : > Dear FIS colleagues - I received three complimentary emails re my paper, > Propagating Organization: An E

[Fis] What is Information? - Propagating Organization in the Biosphere, the Symbolosphere, the Technosphere and the Econosphere

2016-06-15 Thread Bob Logan
Dear FIS colleagues - I received three complimentary emails re my paper, Propagating Organization: An Enquiry, the paper I wrote with Stuart Kauffman and others and which I shared with the list. As a result I thought some of you might be interested in the book I wrote based on that paper entitl

[Fis] what is information

2015-10-03 Thread Emanuel Diamant
Dear all, I apologize for the delayed response and fragmented personal replies. I apologize that not all of your responses were selected for further comments, only those that were the first to come and those that look as the most relevant ones. I apologize that not all topics of these