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Objet : Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?
Leot remarks:
"... we need a kind of calculus of redundancy."
I agree whole-heartedly.
What for Shannon was the key to error-correction is thus implicitly normative.
But of course assessment of normati
From: Terrence W. DEACON [mailto:dea...@berkeley.edu]
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2017 8:15 PM
To: John Collier
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Information Science
Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?
Leot remarks:
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*On Behalf Of *Loet
> Leydesdorff
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> dai.griffith...@gmail.com>; 'Foundations of Information Science
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Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?
We agree that such a theory is a ways off, though you some are far more
pessimisitic about its possibility than
sdorff
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> Professor, University of Amsterdam
> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
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> Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of
> Sussex;
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> Guest Professor Zhej
or, <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/> Birkbeck, University of London;
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From: Dick Stoute [mailto:dick.sto...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 12:48 PM
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e very constraints on the
>>>> release of energy that then constitutes work and the propagation of
>>>> organization.” I asked several times what this means and how one can
>>>> measure this information. Hitherto, I only obtained the answer that
>>>>
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>>> that “counting” may lead to populism. J
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>>> Best,
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>>> Loet
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>>> Loet Leydesdorff
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>>> Professor, Unive
sociate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of
>> Sussex;
>>
>> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>,
>> Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC,
>> <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing;
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*Subject:* Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?
List,
Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of
information stated
In this respect Loet comments:
"In my opinion, the status of Shannon’s mathematical theory of information is
different from special theories of information (e.g., biological ones) since
the formal theory enables us to translate between these latter theories."
We are essentially in agreem
arch (ASCoR)
>>
>> l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/
>> Associate Faculty, SPRU, <http://www.sussex.ac.uk/spru/>University of
>> Sussex;
>>
>> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>,
>> Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, IS
gzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC,
> <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing;
>
> Visiting Professor, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of
> London;
>
> http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=ych9gNYAAAAJ&hl=en
>
>
>
> *From:* Fis [mailto:fis-bou
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From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Terrence W. DEACON
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To: fis
Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?
Against information fundamentali
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> *From:* Dick Stoute [mailto:dick.sto...@gmail.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Monday, December 19, 2016 12:48 PM
> *To:* l...@leydesdorff.net
> *Cc:* James
; Best,
>> Loet
>>
>> --
>> Loet Leydesdorff
>> Professor, University of Amsterdam
>> Amsterdam School of Communication Research (ASCoR)
>> l...@leydesdorff.net ; http://www.leydesdorff.net/
>>
>> Associate Faculty
eters; u...@umces.edu; Alex Hankey; FIS Webinar
*Subject:* Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?
List,
Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information
stated below.
1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive
("bizarre"); (
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> Sussex;
> Guest Professor Zhejiang Univ. <http://www.zju.edu.cn/english/>,
> Hangzhou; Visiting Professor, ISTIC,
> <http://www.istic.ac.cn/Eng/brief_en.html>Beijing;
> Visiting Professor, Birkbeck <http://www.bbk.ac.uk/>, University of
> London;
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From: Dick Stoute [mailto:dick.sto...@gmail.com <mailto:dick.sto...@gmail.com>]
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Cc: James Peters; u...@umces.edu; Alex Hankey; FIS Webinar
Subject: Re: [Fis] What is information? and What is life?
List,
Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information stated
below.
1. the definition of information as uncertainty is count
Dear Dick - I loved your analysis. You are right on the money. It also explains
why Shannon dominated the field of information. He had a mathematical formula
and there is nothing more appealing to a scientist than a mathematical formula.
But you are right his formula only tells us of how many bi
What is Information?
Once more, Occam and the numbers give a simple, short and concise
explanation. (There is more text and a formal definition of information in
my book “Natural Orders” ISBN: 9783990571378.)
The root of the term “information” is in the concept of order. The idea of
order can
List,
Please allow me to respond to Loet about the definition of information
stated below.
1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive
("bizarre"); (p. 27)
I agree. I struggled with this definition for a long time before realising
that Shannon was really discussing "a
Dear James and colleagues,
Weaver (1949) made two major remarks about his coauthor (Shannon)'s
contribution:
1. the definition of information as uncertainty is counter-intuitive
("bizarre"); (p. 27)
2. "In particular, information must not be confused with meaning." (p. 8)
The definit
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