Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Information is a linguistic description of structures]--T...

2015-10-01 Thread Mark Johnson
Dear Loet and colleagues, I wonder if an alternative view is possible: that the symbolic codification of the sciences inherent in discourse and supported by our universities (as they are currently constituted) is a constraint which prevents us exploring a proper science of constraint. To overcome

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Information is a linguistic description of structures]--T...

2015-10-01 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Loet wrote: I suggest to distinguish between three levels (following Weaver): A. (Shannon-type) information processing ; B. meaning sharing using languages; C. translations among coded communications. So, here we have a subsumptive hierarchy" {reduction of possibilities {interpretation

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2015-10-01 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
-Original Message- From: Robert E. Ulanowicz [mailto:u...@umces.edu] Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2015 7:11 PM To: Mark Johnson; Loet Leydesdorff Cc: Robert Ulanowicz Subject: Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Information is a linguistic description of structures]--T... Dear Mark & Loet,

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Information is a linguistic description of structures]--T...

2015-10-01 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
in other words, it's time we confess in science just how little we know about language, that we explore language's mysteries, and that we use our discoveries as a crowbar to pry open the secrets of this highly contextual, deeply relational, profoundly communicational cosmos. Dear colleagues,

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Information is a linguistic description of structures]--T...

2015-09-29 Thread mjs@aiu
Dear Howard: I am afraid one of your examples is not really accurate historically: "the most amazing metaphor of relationality available to us is not math, it's not mechanism, and it's not reduction to "elements," it's language. by using the metaphor of a form of language called "code,"

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2015-09-29 Thread Francesco Rizzo
Cari Tutti, condivido al 100% quel che afferma Marcin che si ritrova scritto in circa 20 miei libri. Quando parlo di significazione, informazione e comunicazione mi riferisco all'intera esistenza e a tutta la conoscenza in-centrate su quattro (ma potrebbero essere 44) tipi di informazione:

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Information is a linguistic description of structures]--T...

2015-09-29 Thread Robert E. Ulanowicz
Howard: I applaud your critique of our legacy attempts to render life meaningful in terms of what you call "necrophilia" and Hans Jonas has called an "ontology of death". In my last book, "A Third Window", I attempted to develop the metaphysics of a process ecology of relationships as an

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2015-09-29 Thread HowlBloom
bob, thanks for an extraordinary answer. riddled with extraordinary knowledge. I've just bought your book from Amazon and it should be in my kindle momentarily. if you'd like a copy of mine--The God Problem: How a Godless Cosmos Creates--i can email it to you. and to anyone else on

Re: [Fis] [Fwd: Re: Information is a linguistic description of structures]--T...

2015-09-28 Thread HowlBloom
re: it is likely to be problematic to use language as the paradigm model for all communication--Terrence Deacon Terry makes interesting points, but I think on this one, he may be wrong. Guenther Witzany is on to something. our previous approaches to information have been what Barbara