Re: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation] S.Brier
On 11 Feb 2013, at 18:38, John Collier wrote: > I guess I am at a loss to see them as separate > discourses. Me too. Actually I do not believe in something like *Science*. But I do believe in the human *scientific attitude*, and I have eventually realized that such attitude is totally domain independent. The scientific attitude is mainly a form of modesty, of acknowledgement that *all* theories are hypotheses, of making the statements as clear as possible, with the hope of seeing them refuted, etc. It is frequent that a scientist will have that attitude in his expertise field, but will lack all sense of it when speaking in another field. When I was young academical philosophy was marxism propaganda, in part, and by being labeled and categorized as literature, many philosophers indulge in the idolatry, and argument per authority. All the same for my favorite subject "theology", which today is put in opposition to rationalism, which of course leads to the perpetuation of irrationalism in theology, and this since about the closure of Plato academy. But that opposition does not just prevent the scientific attitude in theology, it makes some good science, like physics, into bad pseudo-theology, very often. I don't believe in Science, I believe in persons, and some persons can be serious or not in *any* domain. "Science" is never an answer per se, but a tool to attempt to put some light on the unknown. To oppose science, philosophy and theology leads to pseudo-theologies, pseudo-philosophies and pseudo-sciences. Of course, people have fears, and the pseudo-things can exploit the wishful thinking related to them to do more money than the modest attempt to get some genuine light and some genuine progresses in the *search*. In occident, I think that science has begun in -500 and ended in +500, when Plato Academy has been closed, and when all rationalist in the most fundamental questions have been either ignored, exiled, banished, or burned alive. The enlightening period was only partial, as we got most of all greek sciences, except theology, where humans still tolerate the dogmas, the fairy tales and the authoritative argument, instead of modesty, doubts and dialogs. Bruno > Especially in the domain of Information. > > Contrary to what Stan said, I think that many of > the major advances in science from Statistical > Mechanics, to Relativity Theory to Quantum > Mechanics did and continue to have a major > philosophical component, and professional > philosophers work with scientists directly in > each of these fields, It used to be true in > Computer Science, but is less so now. In > Cognitive Science there is currently virtually > now separation. In Biology there are many > philosophers who work with biologists, and vice > versa, but far too many who do not. > > I think that technology is much more linked to > industry than it is to the sciences above. > > John > > At 06:03 PM 2013/02/11, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: >> How does one measure the synergy among three discourses? >> That is an interesting question within information theory (as part >> of both >> science and philosophy). >> >> Best, >> Loet >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es >> ] On >> Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:29 PM >> To: fis@listas.unizar.es >> Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An >> Alternative >> Relation] S.Brier >> >> Original Message >> Subject:SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An >> Alternative >> Relation >> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100 >> From: Søren Brier >> To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch , Pedro >> Clemente >> Marijuan Fernandez , fis@listas.unizar.es >> , John Collier >> References: <6043399.89641360255002322.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch >> > >> >> >> >> Dear Joseph >> >> >> >> I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not >> independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and >> epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or >> "actual" >> depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain >> aspects >> of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy >> without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> >> Søren Brier >> >> >>
Re: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation] S.Brier
d, if not, what > distinguishes the two? > > What would "a philosophical component" of information theory look like? Does > such a component simply speak about the existential status of information? Is > there some epistemology involved? Are there ethical imperatives that I could > draw from such a philosophy? > > Steven > > > > On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:38 AM, John Collier wrote: > >> I guess I am at a loss to see them as separate >> discourses. Especially in the domain of Information. >> >> Contrary to what Stan said, I think that many of >> the major advances in science from Statistical >> Mechanics, to Relativity Theory to Quantum >> Mechanics did and continue to have a major >> philosophical component, and professional >> philosophers work with scientists directly in >> each of these fields, It used to be true in >> Computer Science, but is less so now. In >> Cognitive Science there is currently virtually >> now separation. In Biology there are many >> philosophers who work with biologists, and vice >> versa, but far too many who do not. >> >> I think that technology is much more linked to >> industry than it is to the sciences above. >> >> John >> >> At 06:03 PM 2013/02/11, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: >>> How does one measure the synergy among three discourses? >>> That is an interesting question within information theory (as part of both >>> science and philosophy). >>> >>> Best, >>> Loet >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On >>> Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan >>> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:29 PM >>> To: fis@listas.unizar.es >>> Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative >>> Relation] S.Brier >>> >>> Original Message >>> Subject:SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An >>> Alternative >>> Relation >>> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100 >>> From: Søren Brier >>> To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch , Pedro Clemente >>> Marijuan Fernandez , fis@listas.unizar.es >>> , John Collier >>> References: <6043399.89641360255002322.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Joseph >>> >>> >>> >>> I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not >>> independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and >>> epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or "actual" >>> depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain aspects >>> of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy >>> without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Best wishes >>> >>> >>> >>> Søren Brier >>> >>> >>> >>> Professor in the semiotics of information, cognition and commmunication >>> science, >>> >>> department of International Business Communication, Copenhagen Business >>> School, >>> >>> Dalgas Have 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *Fra:* fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es >>> [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *På vegne af *joe.bren...@bluewin.ch >>> *Sendt:* 7. februar 2013 17:37 >>> *Til:* Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez; fis@listas.unizar.es; John Collier >>> *Emne:* [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear FIS Colleagues, >>> >>> The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at >>> the University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's note. >>> It includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International >>> Conference on the Philosophy of Information to be held in Xi'An, China >>> in October, 2013, sponsored by both the above Society, led by Professor >>> Luciano Floridi and the Institute for the Philosophy of Information in >>> Xi'An under the direction of Professor Wu Kun. >>> >>> This increased activity in the area of the philosophy of information &g
Re: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation] S.Brier
John, When you say "philosophers" do you mean "theorists?" And, if not, what distinguishes the two? What would "a philosophical component" of information theory look like? Does such a component simply speak about the existential status of information? Is there some epistemology involved? Are there ethical imperatives that I could draw from such a philosophy? Steven On Feb 11, 2013, at 9:38 AM, John Collier wrote: > I guess I am at a loss to see them as separate > discourses. Especially in the domain of Information. > > Contrary to what Stan said, I think that many of > the major advances in science from Statistical > Mechanics, to Relativity Theory to Quantum > Mechanics did and continue to have a major > philosophical component, and professional > philosophers work with scientists directly in > each of these fields, It used to be true in > Computer Science, but is less so now. In > Cognitive Science there is currently virtually > now separation. In Biology there are many > philosophers who work with biologists, and vice > versa, but far too many who do not. > > I think that technology is much more linked to > industry than it is to the sciences above. > > John > > At 06:03 PM 2013/02/11, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: >> How does one measure the synergy among three discourses? >> That is an interesting question within information theory (as part of both >> science and philosophy). >> >> Best, >> Loet >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On >> Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan >> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:29 PM >> To: fis@listas.unizar.es >> Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative >> Relation] S.Brier >> >> Original Message >> Subject:SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An >> Alternative >> Relation >> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100 >> From: Søren Brier >> To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch , Pedro Clemente >> Marijuan Fernandez , fis@listas.unizar.es >> , John Collier >> References: <6043399.89641360255002322.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch> >> >> >> >> Dear Joseph >> >> >> >> I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not >> independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and >> epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or "actual" >> depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain aspects >> of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy >> without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction. >> >> >> >> >> >> Best wishes >> >> >> >> Søren Brier >> >> >> >> Professor in the semiotics of information, cognition and commmunication >> science, >> >> department of International Business Communication, Copenhagen Business >> School, >> >> Dalgas Have 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark, >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *Fra:* fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es >> [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *På vegne af *joe.bren...@bluewin.ch >> *Sendt:* 7. februar 2013 17:37 >> *Til:* Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez; fis@listas.unizar.es; John Collier >> *Emne:* [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation >> >> >> >> Dear FIS Colleagues, >> >> The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at >> the University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's note. >> It includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International >> Conference on the Philosophy of Information to be held in Xi'An, China >> in October, 2013, sponsored by both the above Society, led by Professor >> Luciano Floridi and the Institute for the Philosophy of Information in >> Xi'An under the direction of Professor Wu Kun. >> >> This increased activity in the area of the philosophy of information >> (another major Workshop is planned this Spring) raises the issue of the >> relation between the science and philosophy of information as well as of >> the philosophy of science. I am aware of and agree with the position >> expressed by Pedro that information science in the FIS framework should >> emphasize scientific research in the sense of knowledge that is >> quantifiab
Re: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation] S.Brier
I guess I am at a loss to see them as separate
discourses. Especially in the domain of Information.
Contrary to what Stan said, I think that many of
the major advances in science from Statistical
Mechanics, to Relativity Theory to Quantum
Mechanics did and continue to have a major
philosophical component, and professional
philosophers work with scientists directly in
each of these fields, It used to be true in
Computer Science, but is less so now. In
Cognitive Science there is currently virtually
now separation. In Biology there are many
philosophers who work with biologists, and vice
versa, but far too many who do not.
I think that technology is much more linked to
industry than it is to the sciences above.
John
At 06:03 PM 2013/02/11, Loet Leydesdorff wrote:
>How does one measure the synergy among three discourses?
>That is an interesting question within information theory (as part of both
>science and philosophy).
>
>Best,
>Loet
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On
>Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan
>Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:29 PM
>To: fis@listas.unizar.es
>Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative
>Relation] S.Brier
>
> Original Message
>Subject:SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An
>Alternative
>Relation
>Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100
>From: Søren Brier
>To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch , Pedro Clemente
>Marijuan Fernandez , fis@listas.unizar.es
>, John Collier
>References: <6043399.89641360255002322.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch>
>
>
>
>Dear Joseph
>
>
>
>I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not
>independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and
>epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or "actual"
>depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain aspects
>of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy
>without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction.
>
>
>
>
>
>Best wishes
>
>
>
> Søren Brier
>
>
>
>Professor in the semiotics of information, cognition and commmunication
>science,
>
>department of International Business Communication, Copenhagen Business
>School,
>
>Dalgas Have 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>*Fra:* fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es
>[mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *På vegne af *joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
>*Sendt:* 7. februar 2013 17:37
>*Til:* Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez; fis@listas.unizar.es; John Collier
>*Emne:* [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation
>
>
>
>Dear FIS Colleagues,
>
>The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at
>the University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's note.
>It includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International
>Conference on the Philosophy of Information to be held in Xi'An, China
>in October, 2013, sponsored by both the above Society, led by Professor
>Luciano Floridi and the Institute for the Philosophy of Information in
>Xi'An under the direction of Professor Wu Kun.
>
>This increased activity in the area of the philosophy of information
>(another major Workshop is planned this Spring) raises the issue of the
>relation between the science and philosophy of information as well as of
>the philosophy of science. I am aware of and agree with the position
>expressed by Pedro that information science in the FIS framework should
>emphasize scientific research in the sense of knowledge that is
>quantifiable and/or provable. However, I do not believe that either he
>or others of you intend to exclude rigorous qualitative knowledge,
>especially as it concerns the dual nature of information.
>
>The ubiquitous presence of information in all disciplines, as emphasized
>by Wu, suggests an alternative relation linking philosophy, science and
>information that is NOT one of simple hierarchical inclusion or
>possession ("of"). One possibility is to say that it is information that
>links philosophy and science, but this formulation perhaps fails to
>recognize the general properties of the latter two.
>
>Another possibility is to say that each of the three nominally
>independent disciplines are not independent, but that each provides a
>dynamic ontological and epistemological link to the other two, more or
>less strong or "actual" depending on the extent to which one wishes to
>emphasize certain aspects of knowledge.
>
>I look forward to your commen
Re: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation] S.Brier
Dear Loet, Dear Pedro and All,
Loet's question is as interesting as it was new and unexpected. I suggest one
has to proceed in steps: 1) acknowledge that three-way interactions are
possible; 2) find a way of insuring that the "synergy" includes both attractive
(supporting) characteristics and repulsive (antagonistic) characteristics; 3)
accept that measurement of the synergy can include both qualitative and
quantitative parameters; 4) if one then says, following Craciunescu, that each
of the the three is the "included middle" between the other two, one has the
further aspect of emergence to work with: science emerging from consideration
of the relation between philosophy and a concept of information and so on.
Thank you and best wishes,
Joseph
Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: l...@leydesdorff.net
Datum: 11.02.2013 17:03
An: "'Pedro C. Marijuan'",
Betreff: Re: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An
Alternative Relation] S.Brier
How does one measure the synergy among three discourses?
That is an interesting question within information theory (as part of both
science and philosophy).
Best,
Loet
-Original Message-
From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On
Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:29 PM
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative
Relation] S.Brier
Original Message
Subject:SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An
Alternative
Relation
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100
From: Søren Brier
To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch , Pedro Clemente
Marijuan Fernandez , fis@listas.unizar.es
, John Collier
References: <6043399.89641360255002322.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch>
Dear Joseph
I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not
independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and
epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or "actual"
depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain aspects
of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy
without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction.
Best wishes
Søren Brier
Professor in the semiotics of information, cognition and commmunication
science,department of International Business Communication, Copenhagen Business
School, Dalgas Have 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark,
*Fra:* fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es
[mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *På vegne af *joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
*Sendt:* 7. februar 2013 17:37
*Til:* Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez; fis@listas.unizar.es; John Collier
*Emne:* [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation
Dear FIS Colleagues,
The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at
the University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's note.
It includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International
Conference on the Philosophy of Information to be held in Xi'An, China
in October, 2013, sponsored by both the above Society, led by Professor
Luciano Floridi and the Institute for the Philosophy of Information in
Xi'An under the direction of Professor Wu Kun.
This increased activity in the area of the philosophy of information
(another major Workshop is planned this Spring) raises the issue of the
relation between the science and philosophy of information as well as of
the philosophy of science. I am aware of and agree with the position
expressed by Pedro that information science in the FIS framework should
emphasize scientific research in the sense of knowledge that is
quantifiable and/or provable. However, I do not believe that either he
or others of you intend to exclude rigorous qualitative knowledge,
especially as it concerns the dual nature of information.
The ubiquitous presence of information in all disciplines, as emphasized
by Wu, suggests an alternative relation linking philosophy, science and
information that is NOT one of simple hierarchical inclusion or
possession ("of"). One possibility is to say that it is information that
links philosophy and science, but this formulation perhaps fails to
recognize the general properties of the latter two.
Another possibility is to say that each of the three nominally
independent disciplines are not independent, but that each provides a
dynamic ontological and epistemological link to the other two, more or
less strong or "actual" depending on the extent to which one wishes to
emphasize certain aspects of knowledge.
I look forward to your comments regarding the pros and cons of such a
conception. Thank you.
Best wishes,
Joseph
Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: colli...@ukzn.ac.za <mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za>
Datum: 04.02.2013 18:57
An: "fis"mailto:fis@listas.unizar.e
Re: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation] S.Brier
How does one measure the synergy among three discourses?
That is an interesting question within information theory (as part of both
science and philosophy).
Best,
Loet
-Original Message-
From: fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On
Behalf Of Pedro C. Marijuan
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 4:29 PM
To: fis@listas.unizar.es
Subject: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative
Relation] S.Brier
Original Message
Subject:SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An
Alternative
Relation
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100
From: Søren Brier
To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch , Pedro Clemente
Marijuan Fernandez , fis@listas.unizar.es
, John Collier
References: <6043399.89641360255002322.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch>
Dear Joseph
I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not
independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and
epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or "actual"
depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain aspects
of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy
without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction.
Best wishes
Søren Brier
Professor in the semiotics of information, cognition and commmunication
science,
department of International Business Communication, Copenhagen Business
School,
Dalgas Have 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark,
*Fra:* fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es
[mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *På vegne af *joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
*Sendt:* 7. februar 2013 17:37
*Til:* Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez; fis@listas.unizar.es; John Collier
*Emne:* [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation
Dear FIS Colleagues,
The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at
the University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's note.
It includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International
Conference on the Philosophy of Information to be held in Xi'An, China
in October, 2013, sponsored by both the above Society, led by Professor
Luciano Floridi and the Institute for the Philosophy of Information in
Xi'An under the direction of Professor Wu Kun.
This increased activity in the area of the philosophy of information
(another major Workshop is planned this Spring) raises the issue of the
relation between the science and philosophy of information as well as of
the philosophy of science. I am aware of and agree with the position
expressed by Pedro that information science in the FIS framework should
emphasize scientific research in the sense of knowledge that is
quantifiable and/or provable. However, I do not believe that either he
or others of you intend to exclude rigorous qualitative knowledge,
especially as it concerns the dual nature of information.
The ubiquitous presence of information in all disciplines, as emphasized
by Wu, suggests an alternative relation linking philosophy, science and
information that is NOT one of simple hierarchical inclusion or
possession ("of"). One possibility is to say that it is information that
links philosophy and science, but this formulation perhaps fails to
recognize the general properties of the latter two.
Another possibility is to say that each of the three nominally
independent disciplines are not independent, but that each provides a
dynamic ontological and epistemological link to the other two, more or
less strong or "actual" depending on the extent to which one wishes to
emphasize certain aspects of knowledge.
I look forward to your comments regarding the pros and cons of such a
conception. Thank you.
Best wishes,
Joseph
Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: colli...@ukzn.ac.za <mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za>
Datum: 04.02.2013 18:57
An: "fis"mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>>
Betreff: [Fis] Society for the Philosophy of Information
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Re: [Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation] S.Brier
Søren -- Your "science without philosophy" is what we have mostly been
having since the industrial revolution. In this period sciences has mostly
been the handmaid of engineering and technology, following Francis Bacon's
recommendation. Now that our culture has captured and partly destroyed
much of the world, it is time to regain a philosophical grip on the
'sorcerer's apprentice'! One tool for this is to reinstate final cause and
Aristotle's four causes analysis.
STAN
On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Pedro C. Marijuan <
pcmarijuan.i...@aragon.es> wrote:
> Original Message
> Subject:SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An
> Alternative
> Relation
> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100
> From: Søren Brier
> To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch , Pedro Clemente
> Marijuan Fernandez , fis@listas.unizar.es
> , John Collier
> References: <6043399.89641360255002322.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch>
>
>
>
> Dear Joseph
>
>
>
> I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not
> independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and
> epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or "actual"
> depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain aspects
> of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy
> without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction.
>
>
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>
>
> Søren Brier
>
>
>
> Professor in the semiotics of information, cognition and commmunication
> science,
>
> department of International Business Communication, Copenhagen Business
> School,
>
> Dalgas Have 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *Fra:* fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es
> [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *På vegne af *joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
> *Sendt:* 7. februar 2013 17:37
> *Til:* Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez; fis@listas.unizar.es; John
> Collier
> *Emne:* [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation
>
>
>
> Dear FIS Colleagues,
>
> The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at
> the University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's note.
> It includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International
> Conference on the Philosophy of Information to be held in Xi'An, China
> in October, 2013, sponsored by both the above Society, led by Professor
> Luciano Floridi and the Institute for the Philosophy of Information in
> Xi'An under the direction of Professor Wu Kun.
>
> This increased activity in the area of the philosophy of information
> (another major Workshop is planned this Spring) raises the issue of the
> relation between the science and philosophy of information as well as of
> the philosophy of science. I am aware of and agree with the position
> expressed by Pedro that information science in the FIS framework should
> emphasize scientific research in the sense of knowledge that is
> quantifiable and/or provable. However, I do not believe that either he
> or others of you intend to exclude rigorous qualitative knowledge,
> especially as it concerns the dual nature of information.
>
> The ubiquitous presence of information in all disciplines, as emphasized
> by Wu, suggests an alternative relation linking philosophy, science and
> information that is NOT one of simple hierarchical inclusion or
> possession ("of"). One possibility is to say that it is information that
> links philosophy and science, but this formulation perhaps fails to
> recognize the general properties of the latter two.
>
> Another possibility is to say that each of the three nominally
> independent disciplines are not independent, but that each provides a
> dynamic ontological and epistemological link to the other two, more or
> less strong or "actual" depending on the extent to which one wishes to
> emphasize certain aspects of knowledge.
>
> I look forward to your comments regarding the pros and cons of such a
> conception. Thank you.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Joseph
>
> Ursprüngliche Nachricht
> Von: colli...@ukzn.ac.za
> Datum: 04.02.2013 18:57
> An: "fis"mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>>
> Betreff: [Fis] Society for the Philosophy of Information
>
> http://www.socphilinfo.org/
>
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> Africa
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[Fis] [Fwd: SV: Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation] S.Brier
Original Message
Subject:SV: [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative
Relation
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2013 20:32:04 +0100
From: Søren Brier
To: joe.bren...@bluewin.ch , Pedro Clemente
Marijuan Fernandez , fis@listas.unizar.es
, John Collier
References: <6043399.89641360255002322.javamail.webm...@bluewin.ch>
Dear Joseph
I go for each of the three nominally independent disciplines are not
independent, but that each provides a dynamic ontological and
epistemological link to the other two, more or less strong or "actual"
depending on the extent to which one wishes to emphasize certain aspects
of knowledge. Science without philosophy is stupid but philosophy
without science is blind. I am for a synergetic interaction.
Best wishes
Søren Brier
Professor in the semiotics of information, cognition and commmunication
science,
department of International Business Communication, Copenhagen Business
School,
Dalgas Have 15, 2000 Frederiksberg, Denmark,
*Fra:* fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es
[mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] *På vegne af *joe.bren...@bluewin.ch
*Sendt:* 7. februar 2013 17:37
*Til:* Pedro Clemente Marijuan Fernandez; fis@listas.unizar.es; John Collier
*Emne:* [Fis] Science, Philosophy and Information. An Alternative Relation
Dear FIS Colleagues,
The formation of the the Society for the Philosophy of Information at
the University of Hertfordshire is announced in the link in John's note.
It includes the announcement and Call for Papers of the International
Conference on the Philosophy of Information to be held in Xi'An, China
in October, 2013, sponsored by both the above Society, led by Professor
Luciano Floridi and the Institute for the Philosophy of Information in
Xi'An under the direction of Professor Wu Kun.
This increased activity in the area of the philosophy of information
(another major Workshop is planned this Spring) raises the issue of the
relation between the science and philosophy of information as well as of
the philosophy of science. I am aware of and agree with the position
expressed by Pedro that information science in the FIS framework should
emphasize scientific research in the sense of knowledge that is
quantifiable and/or provable. However, I do not believe that either he
or others of you intend to exclude rigorous qualitative knowledge,
especially as it concerns the dual nature of information.
The ubiquitous presence of information in all disciplines, as emphasized
by Wu, suggests an alternative relation linking philosophy, science and
information that is NOT one of simple hierarchical inclusion or
possession ("of"). One possibility is to say that it is information that
links philosophy and science, but this formulation perhaps fails to
recognize the general properties of the latter two.
Another possibility is to say that each of the three nominally
independent disciplines are not independent, but that each provides a
dynamic ontological and epistemological link to the other two, more or
less strong or "actual" depending on the extent to which one wishes to
emphasize certain aspects of knowledge.
I look forward to your comments regarding the pros and cons of such a
conception. Thank you.
Best wishes,
Joseph
Ursprüngliche Nachricht
Von: colli...@ukzn.ac.za
Datum: 04.02.2013 18:57
An: "fis"mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>>
Betreff: [Fis] Society for the Philosophy of Information
http://www.socphilinfo.org/
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colli...@ukzn.ac.za
Philosophy and Ethics, University of KwaZulu-Natal, Durban 4041 South Africa
T: +27 (31) 260 3248 / 260 2292 F: +27 (31) 260 3031
http://web.ncf.ca/collier
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