RE: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-16 Thread Stanley N. Salthe
Replying to Pedro, who said: >Those hierarchical schemes that with a few categories cover realms and >realms of knowledge have an undeniable allure --but are they useful? S: This depends upon the meaning of "useful". As my work is in Natural Philosophy, they are useful there in the sense of

RE: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-09 Thread Pedro Marijuan
Dear colleagues, Maybe I should postpone these comments and have a careful reading of Bob's paper, John's list of bionfo articles, and the many well-crafted arguments exchanged these days---but as usual one is overwhelmed... On the discussion track about complexity info limits (followed by Jo

RE: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-07 Thread Stanley N. Salthe
Replying to LOET, who said: >Dear colleagues,I agree with most of what is said, but it does not >apply to social systems because these -- and to a lesser extent also >psychological ones -- operate differently from the hierarchical >formations that are generated "naturally". That is why

RE: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-07 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
What is more, even atoms and molecules directly participate in inductive processes. When two hydrogen atoms form a hydrogen molecule in an empirical arena, no computation for getting a hydrogen molecule can stop insofar as one sticks to the axiomatic formalism preserving the hydrogen atom

Re: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-07 Thread Koichiro Matsuno
From: "Koichiro Matsuno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Folks, John Collier's distinction between "restrict and enable" in the form of constraints reminds me once again of the remarks on boundary conditions made by Michael Polanyi back in the sixties. This time, it came through Goedel's incompl

Re: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-06 Thread Pedro Marijuan
Dear colleagues, On the complexity limits of human societies, my impression is that in the social application of our brain capabilities (evolved to confront a very big "natural group" --it is interesting to check psychologist Robin Dunbar, or neurobiologist Robert Allman, on how brain size esc

Re: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-05 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
5 pp.; US$ 18.95 The Self-Organization of the Knowledge-Based Society; The Challenge of Scientometrics From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:fis- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Collier Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:18 PM To: Jerry LR Chandler; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Re: f

RE: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-05 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
ometrics _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Collier Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 5:18 PM To: Jerry LR Chandler; fis@listas.unizar.es Subject: Re: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5 Hi folks, I'll take a few minutes from my moving and d

Re: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-05 Thread Stanley N. Salthe
This is my reply to Jerry (acknowledging that John's reply to Jerry below says it as well as -- probably better than -- I can), who said: >Stan's comment deserves to be attended to. > >> "The many complexities facing us as society can be parsed as follows, >>using a >> specification hierarcy: >>

Re: [Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-05 Thread John Collier
Hi folks, I'll take a few minutes from my moving and dealing with academic emergencies at UKZN to make a comment here. Jerry brings up a point that keeps arising in the literature one constraints and information. Recall that Shannon said that they are the same thing. That is a clue. Loet and I de

[Fis] Re: fis Digest, Vol 501, Issue 5

2007-02-05 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
To: Igor / Ted / Stan First, Igor. I found your perspective here to be 180 degrees off from mine! On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reply to Steven and Ted By "genetic constraints" I assume you simply mean that we have certain capacities and are not omnipotent. Is not c