Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi there Stan SS: Info theory presumably applies to everything and anything. GR: It was never intended to apply to anything but communication instruments. That is sending English language down a pipe. GR: In my opinion it still only does, I cant get my head around how say information theo

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Karl I cant fault your thinking, ( with some very important things you mention) but your comment about Shannon's view doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, fire- or not fire is just one logical connective form. Just One aspect of proposition logic connective. Imperative Logic which is actual

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear colleagues, It seems to me that the relation between information and energy provides the special case that the entropy is thermodynamic entropy. The relation is S = k(B) H. H is dimensionless, but S is not because k(B) adds the dimensionality of Joule/Kelvin. H can also be considered a

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi there Loet If the information exchange is provided with meaning, then this is probably just a qualitative aspect of entropy production. However this is not Information Theory. The Relation between energy and information theory is 0.693kT (k is the Boltzmann constant and T is the temp in k

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread John Collier
At 01:41 PM 1/24/2011, Gavin Ritz wrote: Hi there Stan   SS: Info theory presumably applies to everything and anything. GR: It was never intended to apply to anything but communication instruments. That is sending English language down a pipe. Sorry, but it has already been done by people like

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Gavin Ritz
Hi there Stan > >SS: Info theory presumably applies to everything and anything. > >GR: It was never intended to apply to anything but communication instruments. >That is sending English language down a pipe. Sorry, but it has already been done by people like Wheeler, Gell-Mann and Hawkin

[Fis] ongoing discussion

2011-01-24 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear colleagues, Current discussants are kindly reminded that this is a very austere list: POSTING IS RESTRICTED TO TWO MESSAGES PER WEEK. Also, new people entering into the list are supposed to briefly self-introduce themselves. Sorry about the interruption--keep your best arguments for the co

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread John Collier
At 02:05 PM 1/24/2011, Loet Leydesdorff wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_00C9_01CBBBC7.684CC9E0" Content-Language: en-us Dear colleagues,   It seems to me that the relation between information and energy provides the special case that the entropy

Re: [Fis] Info Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Robert Ulanowicz
Dear Gavin, With all due respect, I would like to strongly disagree. I believe the communications format is an historical artifact that were best put aside. It unnecessarily constrains the application of information theory for many useful purposes. Most especially, the calculus that is buil

[Fis] Foundational Views of Shannon Information Theory

2011-01-24 Thread Jerry LR Chandler
List: My responses to recent posts by Karl, Stan, Joe, Loet, Gavin, John, and Bob by the number of the digest that I rec’d. I seek to address several basic issues. First, I would repeat my assertion from my post of Jan. 20, 2010, along with Karl’s denial and my comments about his denials: