Re: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . . Loss of Information

2015-06-15 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Colleagues and Reasoned Opponents, A scientific position may be the object of rational disagreement and discussion, but the 'ganging up' of some individuals on a highly respected colleague is disgraceful and unacceptable. By this note I am suggesting to Pedro that Ericsson-Zenith, Sherman

Re: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION

2015-06-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Traditionally the fis list is a place where polite exchange and scholarly style of communication are maintained. We have been in place for almost 20 years, and very rarely we have had any personally disappointing message. Let us keep that way, please. At the time being I

Re: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . .

2015-06-15 Thread Steven Ericsson-Zenith
Trust me. You are in good company. Steven On Jun 14, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Marcus Abundis 55m...@gmail.com wrote: From Loet's post: During the recent conference in Vienna, I was amazed how many of our colleagues wish to ground information in physics. I would say that I was disappointed .

[Fis] FIS newcomer

2015-06-15 Thread Emanuel Diamant
Dear FISlists, I am a newcomer to the FIS discussion table. The debate that is going on in your list-exchange is very interesting to me, but frankly, for the most of the time, I only guess about what you are talking - my vocabulary and my notions of Information are quite different from yours.

[Fis] Fw: It from Bit redux . . . Gain of Information

2015-06-15 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Pedro, Dear Loet and All, My thanks first to Pedro for his note, especially for its emphasis on the necessity of scholarly style. I thank Loet also for what may be a quite unexpected result of my partial defense of his approach, his restatement of the Cartesian dualistic position. This

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-15 Thread Jeremy Sherman
Deacon addressed this all very clearly in his January paper. I'm guessing for most FIS members his argument changed little or nothing. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Stanley N Salthe ssal...@binghamton.edu wrote: Loet -- Well, so you favor the definition of information as an invention of

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-15 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Loet -- Well, so you favor the definition of information as an invention of Western technology related to communication. Others prefer to define information in such a way that it emerges into the world with biology -- in the genetic system. Still others define information in such a way that it

[Fis] We have different “fen clubs” depending of sympathy to one or other definition of information

2015-06-15 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues, This discussion was not planed. It started without any a priory explanation and because of this become more emotional. I see, we have different “fen clubs” depending of sympathy to one or other definition of information. This is nice. Variety is important for