Re: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . . Loss of Information

2015-06-15 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Colleagues and Reasoned Opponents, A scientific position may be the object of rational disagreement and discussion, but the 'ganging up' of some individuals on a highly respected colleague is disgraceful and unacceptable. By this note I am suggesting to Pedro that Ericsson-Zenith, Sherman

Re: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . . Loss of Information

2015-06-15 Thread Loet Leydesdorff
Dear Joe and colleagues, It “flamed” a bit. Thank you for the intervention. The confusion is not only ours, but also in the literature. Indeed, we should not blame each other for it. I know that you wish to ground information in “reality”: “logic in reality” or LIR. But I understood duri

Re: [Fis] It from Bit redux . . . MODERATION

2015-06-15 Thread Pedro C. Marijuan
Dear FIS Colleagues, Traditionally the fis list is a place where polite exchange and scholarly style of communication are maintained. We have been in place for almost 20 years, and very rarely we have had any personally disappointing message. Let us keep that way, please. At the time being I

[Fis] FIS newcomer

2015-06-15 Thread Emanuel Diamant
Dear FISlists, I am a newcomer to the FIS discussion table. The debate that is going on in your list-exchange is very interesting to me, but frankly, for the most of the time, I only guess about what you are talking - my vocabulary and my notions of Information are quite different from yours.

[Fis] Fw: It from Bit redux . . . Gain of Information

2015-06-15 Thread Joseph Brenner
Dear Pedro, Dear Loet and All, My thanks first to Pedro for his note, especially for its emphasis on the necessity of scholarly style. I thank Loet also for what may be a quite unexpected result of my partial defense of his approach, his restatement of the Cartesian dualistic position. This bri

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-15 Thread Stanley N Salthe
Loet -- Well, so you favor the definition of information as an invention of Western technology related to communication. Others prefer to define information in such a way that it emerges into the world with biology -- in the genetic system. Still others define information in such a way that it ca

Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!

2015-06-15 Thread Jeremy Sherman
Deacon addressed this all very clearly in his January paper. I'm guessing for most FIS members his argument changed little or nothing. On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Stanley N Salthe wrote: > Loet -- Well, so you favor the definition of information as an invention > of Western technology rela

[Fis] We have different “fen clubs” depending of sympathy to one or other definition of information

2015-06-15 Thread Krassimir Markov
Dear Pedro and FIS Colleagues, This discussion was not planed. It started without any a priory explanation and because of this become more emotional. I see, we have different “fen clubs” depending of sympathy to one or other definition of information. This is nice. Variety is important for dev