y article in
Information: "The Logic of the Physics of Information".
Best wishes,
Joseph
- Original Message -
From: Krassimir Markov
To: John Collier ; Stanley N Salthe ; fis
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 11:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Fis]
t;
>>
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>> On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Krassimir Markov
>> wrote:
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>> Dear John and Stan,
>>
>> What is cause, and what is result? This is the question.
>>
>> If we not assume information and informational processes as secondary
o proof anything
> and we have to believe that proposed models maybe are truth. We have to
> trust to Author but not to experiments.
>
> Information has to be included not in the beginning of the hierarchy – at
> least in the middle where living mater appear.
>
> Sorry that my post
ds
Krassimir
From: Stanley N Salthe <mailto:ssal...@binghamton.edu>
Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:30 PM
To: Krassimir Markov <mailto:mar...@foibg.com>
Subject: Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
Krassimir -- ??? I fail to understand you
;
>
> *From:* Stanley N Salthe
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 13, 2015 3:30 PM
> *To:* Krassimir Markov
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
>
> Krassimir -- ??? I fail to understand your assertion. This (and any
> hierarchy) is a logical
:30 PM
To: Krassimir Markov
Subject: Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
Krassimir -- ??? I fail to understand your assertion. This (and any
hierarchy) is a logical formulation, allowing us to allocate influences from
various aspects of nature in an orderly manner.
So
ept by appeal to the authority of 'some physicists'. Those
> FISers who would like to see a reasonably considered rebuttal might look at
> my article in *Information*: "The Logic of the Physics of Information".
>
>
>
> Best wishes,
>
>
>
> Joseph
>
s of Information".
Best wishes,
Joseph
- Original Message -
From: Krassimir Markov<mailto:mar...@foibg.com>
To: John Collier<mailto:colli...@ukzn.ac.za> ; Stanley N
Salthe<mailto:ssal...@binghamton.edu> ; fis<mailto:fis@listas.unizar.es>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015
and eventually
tested hypotheses, not in any a priori belief.
John
From: Krassimir Markov [mailto:mar...@foibg.com]
Sent: June 12, 2015 11:19 PM
To: John Collier; Stanley N Salthe; fis
Subject: Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
Dear John and Stan,
Your both
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>
>
> *From:* John Collier
> *Sent:* Friday, June 12, 2015 5:02 PM
> *To:* Stanley N Salthe ; fis
>
> *Subject:* Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
>
>
> Not quite the same hierarchy, but similar:
>
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> It from bit is ju
physiological
systems.
John
From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Stanley N Salthe
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:40 PM
To: fis
Subject: Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
Pedro -- Your list:
physical, biological, social, and
most physiological
systems.
John
From: Fis [mailto:fis-boun...@listas.unizar.es] On Behalf Of Stanley N Salthe
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2015 3:40 PM
To: fis
Subject: Re: [Fis] Philosophy, Computing, and Information - apologies!
Pedro -- Your list:
physical, biological, social, and Informational
Pedro -- Your list:
physical, biological, social, and Informational
is implicitly a hierarchy -- in fact, a subsumptive hierarchy, with the
physical subsuming the biological and the biological subsuming the social.
But where should information appear? Following Wheeler, we should have:
{inform
Thanks, Ken. I think your previous message and this one are drawing sort
of the border-lines of the discussion. Achieving a comprehensive view on
the interrelationship between computation and information is an
essential matter. In my opinion, and following the Vienna discussions,
whenever life
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