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Subject: Re: OT: RE: [Flashcoders] RIA patent granted
Thanks Kevin :)
On Mar 1, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote:
:-) No Chad, I'm quite sure few, if any, are aware of this:
The patent--issued on Valentine's Day--covers all rich-media
technology
the
only patent filed by this Balthaser dude, so make of that what you will).
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Thanks Kevin :)
On Mar 1, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Kevin Mulvihill wrote:
:-) No Chad, I'm quite sure few, if any, are aware of this:
The patent--issued on Valentine's Day--covers all rich-media
technology
implementations, including Flash, Flex
01, 2006 4:54 PM
Subject: OT: RE: [Flashcoders] RIA patent granted
:-) No Chad, I'm quite sure few, if any, are aware of this:
The patent--issued on Valentine's Day--covers all rich-media technology
implementations, including Flash, Flex, Java, Ajax, and XAML, when the
rich-media application
On Mar 2, 2006, at 9:58 AM, elibol wrote:
Our team has been aware of this situation. It's big trouble if it's
to be
sold to the highest bidder; ignorantly speaking, Microsoft should
appear to
outstand the competition in financial strength.
Microsoft would probably find it cheaper to
The patent holder did actually create Balthaser.com, which was, at the
time, a pretty early RIA (circa 2000). It was a bit crap though. Kind
of a powerpoint ripoff, only less good. This was all done in Flash 4.
I would say it was the *second* ever RIA, because Moonfruit.com(where
I worked) was
Aral Balkan has created a page on the OSFlash.org wiki for documenting
these prior projects. Moonfruit.com is already listed, but if any of
you have other early RIAs to add, please do so.
Here is the link: http://osflash.org/balthaser_patent_prior_art_discovery
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Our team has been aware of this situation. It's big trouble if it's to be
sold to the highest bidder
I heard first of this Niel character reading the news of the patent. His
involvement in the manifestation of the RIA is convincing, but how can it be
agreed that one this person owns* such a broad range of possible media?
Could ( does? ) such a person own the patent for operating systems? What
Chris, the evidence being collected at OSFlash should only serve to bestow
the ownership of the patent to someone else. I apologize, but I would need
help understanding what else this kind of documentation could prove. The
problem would persist, am I wrong?
M.
On 3/2/06, Chris Allen [EMAIL
Sure, you can buy this patent! But I dont care about any American
patents :-)
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Never mind the breathing, your DNA itself is patented: your existence is in
bleach of the U.S. patent law!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1013_051013_gene_patent.html
Kenneth Kawamoto
www.materiaprima.co.uk
On 3/2/06, Serge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
What do you say, if
No, you are wrong :)
If there is prior art and they did not patent it then the patent does
not get bestowed on the owner of the prior art, it just goes away.
Also, I am hard pressed to understand why the AOL application is not
an RIA. Based on my reading of the patents definition of an RIA I
On 3/2/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris, the evidence being collected at OSFlash should only serve to bestow
the ownership of the patent to someone else. I apologize, but I would need
help understanding what else this kind of documentation could prove. The
problem would persist, am I
All your innovations are belong to us
Mike
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Kenneth Kawamoto wrote:
Never mind the breathing, your DNA itself is patented: your existence
is in bleach of the U.S. patent law!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1013_051013_gene_patent.html
Well, it's a U.S. patent... I can't believe these U.S. patents are in
anyway legal in
Understood Hank. Shouldn't it be possible for the 'true inventor' to patent
their 'invention' once the patent is gone?
I would research laws around patents, but hell, as important is this
discussion, I have to get some work done today too.
M.
On 3/2/06, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually DNA work, drug design, and all that kind of stuff is
incredibly important work that if not protected there would be no
motivation to do.
If someone discovers a gene after spending, say $500 Million, should
someone else be able to come along and spend $1 Million and compete
from the same
I understand Chris.
On 3/2/06, Chris Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 3/2/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Chris, the evidence being collected at OSFlash should only serve to
bestow
the ownership of the patent to someone else. I apologize, but I would
need
help understanding what
Nope. If you invent something and dont patent it within a year of
public disclosure, you loose the right to patent. By the time a patent
is issued for years or so have usually passed so other inventors that
did not file are out of it.
Regards
Hank
On 3/2/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yes Hank, except I think more of the concern is whether they have ownership
over our individuality, which doesn't seem to be the case. It's outlined
that the patents simply protect the applications of the discoveries, like
how much it would really cost if some evil empire decides to build
Ok I understand. Thanks for the education Hank, I'm sure everyone is more
confident about fighting this now.
M.
On 3/2/06, hank williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nope. If you invent something and dont patent it within a year of
public disclosure, you loose the right to patent. By the time a
On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:38 PM, matthibcn wrote:
what you do oversea...lol...that is definatly your problem...i just
dont care
Thanks. We appreciate the sympathetic attitude among developers. At
least do us a favor, while laughing. Show prior art.
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
Troy Rollins wrote:
On Mar 2, 2006, at 1:38 PM, matthibcn wrote:
what you do oversea...lol...that is definatly your problem...i just
dont care
Thanks. We appreciate the sympathetic attitude among developers. At
least do us a favor, while laughing. Show prior art.
--
Troy,
if you
so, here in europe we dont have to concern about all this
softwarpatentshit as it isnt legal here...
Actually, European patent and copyright law is even more ridiculous than
US patent and copyright law. You have such wonderful concepts as inherent
copyright, which means the moment you put
We appreciate your careful opinion, it's worth as much as reading the
opinion of a man who's been huffing glue for six straight days. To my
understanding, it is none of your concern, as is, you should not concern
yourself, but you have, starkly, in self contradiction. In conclusion, it's
probable
That's suprising information, except, I wonder its accuracy... No offense
friend, so many come and run a mouth, I don't know what to take seriously
anymore.
M.
On 3/2/06, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
so, here in europe we dont have to concern about all this
softwarpatentshit as it isnt
lol.
Well said.
Hank
On 3/2/06, elibol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We appreciate your careful opinion, it's worth as much as reading the
opinion of a man who's been huffing glue for six straight days. To my
understanding, it is none of your concern, as is, you should not concern
yourself, but
Weyert de Boer wrote:
Sure, you can buy this patent! But I dont care about any American
patents :-)
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Matthias Oesterle
That's suprising information, except, I wonder its accuracy... No offense
friend, so many come and run a mouth, I don't know what to take seriously
anymore.
Don't expect me to do your homework for you. US copyright and patent law
is bad and getting worse, but it is largely because some idiot
Don't expect me to do your homework for you. US copyright and patent
law is bad and getting worse, but it is largely because some idiot
thought it would be a good idea to model it after the current EU
copyright and patent law. The fact that Europe had inherent copyright
and both patents and
Heh, well, thanks for making my homework harder, I think I'll take your word
for it for now.
M.
On 3/2/06, ryanm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That's suprising information, except, I wonder its accuracy... No
offense
friend, so many come and run a mouth, I don't know what to take
seriously
A good copyrightexample btw. is the micky mouse
Except that mickey Mouse should be in the public domain already.
ryanm
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Except that's not the kind of patent action this case addresses. This one
is specifically someone developing or copying an idea that already
existed, and then, upon finding it not yet patented, patenting it and
thereby attempting to extort money out of others, some of whom did all the
originally
H,
http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?
articleID=180206472cid=RSSfeed_IWK_News
Is everyone aware of this?
Chad
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Subject: OT: RE: [Flashcoders] RIA patent granted
:-) No Chad, I'm quite sure few, if any, are aware of this:
The patent--issued on Valentine's Day--covers all rich-media technology
implementations, including Flash, Flex, Java, Ajax
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articleID=180206472c
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Thanks Kevin :)
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