Isaac Rivera wrote:
But we CAN see how it has so far gone with .NET. No official port for
Mac. And that has been out for several years.
Yes, but .NET is realloy nice if you ask me. MS really did a good job
with the .NET framework.
Avalon will probably not be implemented for Mac at all. Nor
Searched Google for "Avalon Mac"
(2nd link) 3rd paragraph:
http://www.betanews.com/article/Avalon_Extended_to_Mac_Web_Devices/1126898869
(3rd link) First sentence:
http://weblogs.java.net/blog/javaben/archive/2005/09/avalon_everywhe.html
I've read other blogs that have cited sources, and gone in
But we CAN see how it has so far gone with .NET. No official port for
Mac. And that has been out for several years.
Avalon will probably not be implemented for Mac at all. Nor other
platforms (OSes) which means it will not be a realistic platform for
web, as opposed to Flash... or Java.
I
Yes, but it's not sure how the Avalon stuff will be implementated for
the MacOSX. It's only known it will be implementated for Avalon. If I
recall directrly it's not /even/ known which parts of Avalon _will_ be
supported under MacOSX. Oh well, this is so 2006 ;-) No need to talk
about this any
I was answering a specific statement.
Read Ryanm's entry, I believe it was quoted in my response. It stated
that all platforms with IE7 would be able to consume Avalon web apps.
Apparently IE7 will carry the .NET runtime as part of the application.
There is no IE7 for Mac.
Isaac
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> You can't yet know how Microsoft will implementate Avalon for MacOSX :-)
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You can't yet know how Microsoft will implementate Avalon for MacOSX :-)
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Microsoft officially abandoned IE development for the Mac with
version 5.0.3, so Avalon apps will not be "consumable" from a mac.
You PC developers need to be up to date on your own news.
Isaac
On Oct 8, 2005, at 7:48 PM, ryanm wrote:
Yes, .NET web applications running on MS can be consumed
roving it.
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cult (read slow) to
execute.
But I think it's great that MM is taking VM performances seriously, and I
hope they will keep on improving it.
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Wow, talk about comparing apples and oranges.
1. The Sun Microsoft suit was a contract suit not a patent suit. If
Microsoft sued anyone it would be over allowing patents to end up in
open source with a GPL.
2. There has been *no* announcement of any law suit so lets not get
ahead of ourselves her
Oh well, we will see what happens next year ;-)
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Until of course Microsoft sues the mono guys:
Hhhh this sounds fasmiliar. Wait, didn't Sun sue MS for exactly
the same thing? But Sun was the "good guy", right? But now, when MS is in
exactly the same position that Sun was in (someone else developing a
competing runtime), they're th
Yes, .NET web applications running on MS can be consumed from any
platform,
But I believe the point he was making was regarding Avalon apps. Isn't
Avalon for developing desktop apps?
That is the point I was talking about.
Apps for Avalon may be delivered as desktop apps or as web apps, t
"with a Just in time compiler it should be in the ball park of java or
the .net VM. Compiler technology is pretty well understood. If they
have been working on this for 2 years there is no reason they shouldnt
be state of the art in this area."
That's crazy. I can't wait...
Jim Kremens
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Isaac Rivera wrote:
I would say all too common... when it comes to MS...
Yeah... anyway the Mono project is still active!
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I would say all too common... when it comes to MS...
On Oct 8, 2005, at 7:17 PM, Weyert de Boer wrote:
:-) Always possible.
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:-) Always possible.
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Until of course Microsoft sues the mono guys:
http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupdate/stories/main/0,14179,2887217,00.html
mike chambers
Weyert de Boer wrote:
freebsd) is not available for MacOSX but you can use the opensource
alternative Mono (go-mono.com) and use that it. It works like charm
Of course there is no way to know without trying it but...
with a Just in time compiler it should be in the ball park of java or
the .net VM. Compiler technology is pretty well understood. If they
have been working on this for 2 years there is no reason they shouldnt
be state of the art in this ar
The discussion of JVM and .NET runtimes makes me wonder whether Flash
will ever really compete with them.
How much faster is the new Virtual Machine? Whatever the increase,
does it put us in the realm of, say, Java regarding speed? If not,
how far off?
Jim Kremens
On 10/8/05, Weyert de Boer <[
Isaac Rivera wrote:
I know that MS has stated that they would port .NET to ALL platforms.
Let's see.
Until there is an official, up to date, fully capable, Darwin port,
there is an even better alternative than mono... JVM can be developed
and deployed everywhere with community-approved pr
I know that MS has stated that they would port .NET to ALL platforms.
Let's see.
Until there is an official, up to date, fully capable, Darwin port,
there is an even better alternative than mono... JVM can be developed
and deployed everywhere with community-approved products.
Isaac
On Oc
Microsoft is planning to make a runtime available for MacOSX. That's
what I read somewhere, though. The .NET runtime (only windows and
freebsd) is not available for MacOSX but you can use the opensource
alternative Mono (go-mono.com) and use that it. It works like charm even
while its not featu
Yes, .NET web applications running on MS can be consumed from any
platform,
But I believe the point he was making was regarding Avalon apps.
Isn't Avalon for developing desktop apps?
That is the point I was talking about.
Isaac
On Oct 8, 2005, at 1:38 PM, ryanm wrote:
I fail to see the r
Yeah... that is a **HUGE** difference. Typically when people talk
about .net they are talking about the whole managed environment.
Saying that anyone can "consume" .net apps is like saying that someone
without java can consume jsp apps. Its not the same thing as being
able to run java code client s
Mono runs under MacOSX (www.go-mono.org)
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I think you need to distinguish between the .NET runtime, and ASP.NET.
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How does that work on the Mac?
Go to any site developed with .NET on a mac, and it'll work.
ryanm
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How does that work on the Mac?
Go to any site developed with .NET on a mac, and it'll work.
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How does that work on the Mac?
Jim Kremens
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> > I fail to see the relationship between the ".NET" part of the
> > statement and the possibility of "cross-platform" part.
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> .NET apps can be *consumed* from any platform.
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I fail to see the relationship between the ".NET" part of the
statement and the possibility of "cross-platform" part.
.NET apps can be *consumed* from any platform.
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I wish this would make sense to me. Either this is really
On 10/7/05, Mike Mountain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> What was the reasoning behind not holding off the release and putting
> this in 8, or waiting and pushing it in 9?
>
I was thinking about this myself. I *may* have figured it out. Follow me
here
1) Release Flash 8 Player with some new fe
I think 8 was a decent enough improvement on the mac, tough it still
feels like it has to wake up everytime you cycle in and out of it and
it feels bloated. but I'm all for it if they are focusing on a complete
rewrite for flash 9 for the mac (which I really hope they are!).
adobe doesnt exa
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So what will the workflow be for incorporating graphics into these new
8.5 projects (I havn't used flex so I don't know how
Flash 8 is stable and well done. I don't understand what your trepidation
is?
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>I wish this would make sense to me. Either this is really obvious or I'm
>baffled.
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> Flash 8 just came o
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Reading this thread I am curious to know how MM sees the up and coming
Microsoft Vista-platform.
My feeling is that MS is basically -- again -- h
Mike Chambers schrieb:
We have determined pricing yet, although it will be priced as a desktop
IDE (i.e. less that $1000).
mike chambers
let me clear one thing: doea this mean <1000$ for Zorn and what about
the Server part ?
sorr yi din't get it ...
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Yeah, I know, I was just guessing since if you have an alpha
in the spring, I couldn't figure how th
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Reading this thread I am curious to know how MM sees the up and coming
Microsoft Vista-platform.
My feeling is that MS is basically -- again -- h
He countered with his statement only because you appended it to this
thread..
If you were not trying to draw parallel lines then why add it to this
thread?
Not sure whatyou're talking about, but here is the pertinent thread
history:
On 10/6/05, Mike Chambers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ye
Sorry, is this a joke or what?
MM just released Flash 8 a few weeks ago, why didn't wait to release
something stable and "well done"?
This makes me think that Flash 8 wasn't a smart move since the beginning.
I hope Adobe makes it right.
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He countered with his statement only because you appended it to this thread.
If you were not trying to draw parallel lines then why add it to this
thread?
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> > hmmm... http://in.sys-con.com/read/137310.htm
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> I don't know what in that a
the web stuff :) )
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Reading this thread I am curious to know
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> There's no Fla
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Mike
> Just to clarify. There is no update for Flash Authoring planned.
>
> There will be an early alpha of the next full version of
> authoring that includes ActionScript 3 support. This will be
> av
There will not be a v8.5 IDE, they have gone with your second suggestion
(holding off for v9).
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> Just to clarify. There is no update for Flash Authoring planned.
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> There will be an early alpha of the next full version of
> authoring that includes ActionScript 3 support. This will be
> available in the spring.
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Great features and it's good
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Just to clarify. There is no update for Flash Authoring planned.
There will be an early al
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JIT_compiler
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Heres a dumb quest
Heres a dumb question,
what is just-in-time compilation to native code ?
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> Yeah, I know, I was just guessing since if you have an alpha
> in the spring, I couldn't figure how the final version
> wouldn't be out until 2007, but what do I know. This is
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hmmm... http://in.sys-con.com/read/137310.htm
I don't know what in that article makes you think they're talking about
the next full release of anything. To me, it seems fairly obvious that the
bundle they're talking about would be current versions of Studio and CS,
combined and rebranded fo
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Hi Jason
I think the next full version of flash authoring will be flash9,
and
that an
early alpha might be availble in the spring, but there will be
no QA'd
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I guess if the alpha of the framework will be released within days it then
depends on the availabily of a MM supported 8.5 plug-in
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I guess if the alpha of the framework will be released within days it then
depends on the availabily of a MM supported 8.5 plug-in download?
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...another see's the light!
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> Which means that our timeline for standalone (non-Flex 2 Enterprise) apps
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Mike
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>>Yes. Except, i didn't say that Flash 9
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After reviewing the cairngorm framework applied to the flex store I have
began to see the ease and benefits of creating apps in flex opposed to the
current state of the flash (which im currently developing for).
My question is how long (estimated) will it be before we will be able to
deliver flex
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