Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread James Merrill
From my perspective as a former Flash Developer at an Ad agency, I can't imagine us getting any more serious Flash work. These days we still use Flash for banner ads, but that's it. We've tried using Adobe Edge to do HTML5 banners, but it was an awful experience. I rest ALL of my blame on Adobe

RE: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Marco Terrinoni
Everything James said. Also where once the Creative suite provided an entire pipeline for workflow I can honestly say we barely touch it anymore. A little FW and PS. Maybe a little Illustrator from time to time but that's it. With their new licensing model I think they're singing their own death

[Flashcoders] Re: Air is dead (was Flash is dead)

2013-05-09 Thread Randall Tinfow
On 5/9/13 11:19 AM, flashcoders-requ...@chattyfig.figleaf.com wrote: It's truly next to impossible to sell AIR apps right now. It depends. If you are developing video centric applications, I don't see a platform that comes close. WatchESPN is the perfect example. RT

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Chambers
Check out CreateJS: http://www.createjs.com/ Includes the ability to export from Flash Pro. mike chambers m...@adobe.com On May 8, 2013, at 8:30 AM, Liu, Peter p...@geico.com wrote: Why can't Adobe make HTML5 as one of the publishing options, then we can continue to use Flash without the

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Jon Bradley
Nice to see you're still lurking, mesh :) CreateJS looks interesting and I've toyed with it a bit. Some of the new integration opportunities with Flash CC will be interesting to check out. However, it'll be primarily a toy and best for demo work until (and if) Adobe can create a clear

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread James Merrill
Thanks for the link Mike, it seems that CreateJS is definitely a step in the right direction. I'm still not sold on Adobe's EDGE suite though... I am afraid that I'll always be skeptical of generated HTML after seeing Dreamweaver's design view. I also know from experience that including Adobe

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Weyert de Boer
I think the main issue with EDGE is that it generates such big files. I haven't been able to create a useful banner animation with it. Well, one that meets the maximum file size for a HTML5 banner. Only the Edge script is already bigger ;) Yes, I have to admit CreateJS looks promising. Thanks

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Jon Bradley
Yea, that's why it's excellent for demoware. The suite clearly allows creatives to demonstrate work and it adds a fair amount of value to prototyping/demo work. In the keynote, we saw Photoshop to Edge Reflow export – a very useful step to PS CC to export graphics quickly and have them in-place

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread tom rhodes
Did adobe really advance the state of the art with flash though? they did stuff that the community was screaming for and had been for a long time. It was often buggy too. CreteJS is very nice, and it's only just started so I expect it to get better. For the web I've already done a couple of

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread Mike Chambers
Just an fyi, but this is something that we are working on addressing. mike chambers m...@adobe.com On May 9, 2013, at 9:42 AM, Weyert de Boer w...@innerfuse.biz wrote: I think the main issue with EDGE is that it generates such big files. I haven't been able to create a useful banner

Re: [Flashcoders] Adobe Flash future

2013-05-09 Thread tom rhodes
the differences in the flash and createJS apis? or the state of affairs? ;) no offence meant Mike, just the way it has played out has left a bitter taste in a lot of peoples mouths I'd reckon. I've personally lost income through it for sure as I now have to convince people that my skills are