Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-28 Thread Steve Krichten
I disagree, Arp and Cairngorm are architectural frameworks. Flex is an application framework. From what I understand Rails is primarily an application framework with some architectural elements as well. So I would say... Rails is to Ruby as Flex ( + optinally Arp or Caringorm) is to Flash.

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-21 Thread Scott Hyndman
EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ujjwal Kabra Sent: donderdag 20 juli 2006 22:02 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework After nearly two years of working in ActionScript, my company decided that Flash development was too

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-21 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
Another issue with developing a Rails or Cake type of framework for Flash is the rate at which Flash changes undermines the effort. PHP, Java, Ruby - these languages get upgrades, improvements and bug fixes over the years, but for the most part, don't change that much, and get a lot of additional

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-21 Thread Ben Smeets
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ujjwal Kabra Sent: donderdag 20 juli 2006 22:02 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework After nearly two years of working in ActionScript, my company decided that Flash development wa

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread jcanistrum
and where does your company decided to move for ? 2006/7/20, Ujjwal Kabra <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: After nearly two years of working in ActionScript, my company decided that Flash development was too painful and just not worth the effort. This happened just about the time that I was actually gett

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread Ujjwal Kabra
After nearly two years of working in ActionScript, my company decided that Flash development was too painful and just not worth the effort. This happened just about the time that I was actually getting the hang of things. In any case, I was the last Flash(AS2) Developer left here... I'm in full

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
James, Rails and Flex work very well together. Maybe you should consider following that career path - a Flex/Rails developer. Jesse Warden has gone that way and loves it. http://www.recentrambles.com/pragmatic/view/31 BLITZ | Steven Sacks - 310-551-0200 x209 _

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
> I see. I will have a good look at haXe as well. I like the idea but am a bit > worried about the amount of time I would have to invest to gain enough > understanding to build an application. How long would you imagin it might > take to for me to get started? Very quickly, especially if you have

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread James Deakin
I see. I will have a good look at haXe as well. I like the idea but am a bit worried about the amount of time I would have to invest to gain enough understanding to build an application. How long would you imagin it might take to for me to get started? On 7/20/06, Nicolas Cannasse <[EMAIL PROTECT

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
> Have you ever built anything in haXe? If so how did you find the experience? Disclaimer : I'm the haXe author I have been building several websites and flash games with haXe and its predecessor (our in-house language MotionTypes). The less I can say is that using it has been tremendously boosti

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread James Deakin
Have you ever built anything in haXe? If so how did you find the experience? On 7/20/06, Nicolas Cannasse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am looking at ARP and Carngorm at the moment and they are not proving easy > to use and I am a highly experienced AS developer. > > I have also started lookin

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread Nicolas Cannasse
> I am looking at ARP and Carngorm at the moment and they are not proving easy > to use and I am a highly experienced AS developer. > > I have also started looking at Flex. . . Did you have a look at haXe ? http://haxe.org It has builtin remoting for communicating with Flash. The idea is that yo

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-20 Thread James Deakin
I started this thread for a simple reason, love or loath Ruby what has been developed here has enabled several of my clients to deploy excellent web applications with a significantly reduced investment of time with no aparent compromise on functionality. I think thats great. I wish the same could

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Weyert de Boer
As it ends up, his comments were fueled solely by his dislike for Ruby's syntax, which has nothing to do with whether or not Ruby on Rails is deserving of the attention and praise it is getting. I don't see why my dislike of Ruby's syntax has anything to do with this. I won't bother explai

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
> I think that says more about the average Director developer than about > Flash or Macromedia. ;-) Heh, I was joking to make a point. I don't think anyone can claim to know the future and label new technologies as "just hype", especially not having delved into them personally to weigh the benefi

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread ryanm
At one time, Director developers were saying Flash was just hype. Macromedia just had great marketing but their product wasn't very good. Flash sucks. :P I think that says more about the average Director developer than about Flash or Macromedia. ;-) ryanm ___

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
> http://blogs.borland.com/fhaglund/archive/2006/07/15/25963.aspx ;-) And yet at the end of said article "There might be easy ways get this to work in Rails but I'm a Rails rookie and I have not found it yet. Can someone with deeper knowledge enlighten me?" What we have here is a programmer erro

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Weyert de Boer
I just don't like Ruby it's my main problem with it. Syntax is ugly in my opinion. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread ryanm
How you like them apples? :) Unfortunately, there is no baked in configuration for peach cobbler, blackberry pie, and apricot fried pies, and since my clients aren't interested in plain old apple pie, ROR is mostly useless for me. ;-) ryanm _

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Michael Stuhr
Steven Sacks | BLITZ schrieb: At one time, Director developers were saying Flash was just hype. Macromedia just had great marketing but their product wasn't very good. Flash sucks. :P wtf is director ? micha ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
>> Well, Ruby on Rails is just a hype. Their are some issues with it >> which cause database corruption. > Oh really? Do tell. The reason I ask is because I don't think you can blame Rails for something that's a programmer issue. That's like blaming Flash for bugs in people's Flash apps. On t

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
> Well, Ruby on Rails is just a hype. Their are some issues with it which > cause database corruption. Oh really? Do tell. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mail

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Weyert de Boer
Well, Ruby on Rails is just a hype. Their are some issues with it which cause database corruption. Yours, Weyert ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listi

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
> Rails is to Ruby what ARP and Cairngorm are to Actionscript. You can't just say "Framework is to Language as Framework is to Language". The Rails approach is different and, in many people's opinions, better. There's a reason there is more buzz surrounding Ruby on Rails than frameworks like Cake,

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Weyert de Boer
Merrill, Jason wrote: That's why I was thinking about Flex sooner then something like ARP. Yeah, ARP documentation isn't really that clear. Also you can't really print it out well. Main problem. ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To cha

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Merrill, Jason
>>That's why I was thinking about Flex sooner then something like ARP. It's not really a question of Flex vs. ARP from what I understand of ARP as it's more of a development methodology and structural framework that supports Actionscript, but also supports Flex. But starting out, regardless of th

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Ben Smeets
ginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Salisbury Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 13:41 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Ruby, is a (slick) programming language Rails is an application framework...

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Nick Weekes
f I'm wrong plz :) Grt, Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 10:21 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework no problemo. In ca

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Keith Salisbury
r then let's say Ruby and ARP. Correct me if I'm wrong plz :) Grt, Ben -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 10:21 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScrip

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Ben Smeets
CTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick Weekes Sent: woensdag 19 juli 2006 10:21 To: 'Flashcoders mailing list' Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework no problemo. In case nobody has posted the links: http://www.osflash.org/arp And http://labs.adobe.com/wi

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Nick Weekes
mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Sorry Nick I was simply unaware of them. Now that I am I will be trying them out. On 7/19/06, Nick Weekes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > There still hasn't been a decent reason in this thread why the >

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread James Deakin
e- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ben Smeets Sent: 19 July 2006 08:43 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result i

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Nick Weekes
t: RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework I like the idea, and think a lot of people are trying it with you. But wouldn't this result in something like...Flex? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Deakin Sent: dinsdag 18

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread James Deakin
Thanks to all of you for your comments. Dispite googling for just this sort of thing I had never come accross ARP or Cairngorm. I shall take a good long look at both . I have literally just installed Flex builder 2 and will be expermeting with that as well. If any of these things save me as much

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-19 Thread Ben Smeets
f.com; flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just inst

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-18 Thread Aaron Buchanan
One of my fav's On 7/18/06 1:26 PM, "Steven Sacks | BLITZ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Pragmatic Programmer > http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ppbook/index.shtml ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or sear

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-18 Thread Steven Sacks | BLITZ
Sure, here's the first step. Buy and read the following books: Agile Web Development with Rails - 2nd Edition http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/rails/index.html This will give you a solid foundation on why Rails is such an outstanding framework. Practices of an Agile Developer http://ww

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-18 Thread Steve Krichten
To me (at least to some extent), Flex is to Flash what Rails is to Ruby. And of course you have Cairngorm or ARP for structural framework. -Steve Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-18 Thread James Marsden
Have you tried using ARP, the RIA Framework by Aral Balkan? Cheers, James > Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), > > I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been > writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installe

RE: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-18 Thread Pedro Furtado
oders] ActionScript Application Framework We definitely can do this, but it may amount to reinventing the wheel. Do you suggest this in lieu of Cairngorm and ARP? Are there things about these frameworks that make them undesirable? Mike ___ Flashc

Re: [Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-18 Thread Mike Britton
We definitely can do this, but it may amount to reinventing the wheel. Do you suggest this in lieu of Cairngorm and ARP? Are there things about these frameworks that make them undesirable? Mike ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subs

[Flashcoders] ActionScript Application Framework

2006-07-18 Thread James Deakin
Dear List (I should say lists this going to Flash and Flex coders), I am a very and I mean very experienced ActionScript coder. I have been writng code and storing it for re-use for 7 years. I have just installed Rails an application frame work for a language named Ruby which enabled me to create