RE: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Merrill, Jason]

>>> Head on over to
>>> http://labs.macromedia.com/ and play around, you might change your
>>> mind.
>>
>>Wake me when there is an OSX alpha. ;-)
>>
>>Flex looks great, but not great enough to switch development
platforms.
>>--
>>Troy


You Mac people are always so grumpy.  ;)

The Mac looks great, but not enough to switch my software base.  ;)


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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Troy Rollins]

On Dec 22, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Merrill, Jason wrote:


Head on over to
http://labs.macromedia.com/ and play around, you might change your 
mind.


Wake me when there is an OSX alpha. ;-)

Flex looks great, but not great enough to switch development platforms.
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RE: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Merrill, Jason]

>>commercial crap:
>>remember Generator ?
>>1.5k just to dynamically load JPGs in it ...
>>marketing crap really

Cedric - not sure I understand the basis of your rant. Are you upset
with the current pricing of Flex  - that 15k is outrageous? Or 1k for
Flexbuilder 2 is still over priced for what it will do?  Or do you think
Flex is generally a poor product? Or what?  

Have you used Flex?  It's a lot more than a dynamic jpg loader.  Around
1k for a product that takes mxml and Actionscript and genrates rich and
highly feature-rich .swfs for online Web 2.0 apps is a great price, and
I can't wait to have it in my toolbox. I don't think 15k for Flex server
is a steal, but large enterprises who can afford it can also very
quickly reap benefits over traditional Web 1.0 programming.  Depending
on what you're trying to do, you can save 15k worth of time easily with
Flex, plus the user experience is so much better.  Head on over to
http://labs.macromedia.com/ and play around, you might change your mind.

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RE: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Nick Weekes]

Cedric, are you disagreeing with the $1000 flex 2 builder, or the
undisclosed fees for enterprise services? 

Or the licence fee of flex 1.5? 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cedric
Muller
Sent: 22 December 2005 09:59
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

commercial crap:
remember Generator ?
1.5k just to dynamically load JPGs in it ...
marketing crap really

> 15k.  When Flexbuilder 2 comes out, you can create .swfs without the
> server, and it is rumored to be under $1000.  Flex Enterprise Services 
> 2
> (the server version) will likely be back up in the 10-15k range, but I
> haven't heard any rumored pricing on that yet.
>
> Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danton Chin
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:26 PM
>>> To: Flashcoders mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo
>>>
>>> How expensive is a Flex 1.5 license? And will that change when Flex 2
> is
>>> available?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Danton
>>>
>>> Merrill, Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> How do you have a license for a server, but not have Flex 
>>>>>> installed
> on
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Could I do this with one of my web hosting providers then?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Check with Adobe, but in November Macromedia Sales told me as long 
>>>> as
> we
>>>> had a legal Flex 1.5 license installed in one location, they would
> allow
>>>> us to take the .swfs produced on the server and move them to a
> different
>>>> server where Flex was not installed as long as the server owner was
> the
>>>> same entity.
>>>>
>>>> i.e. Company "A" owns one Flex 1.5 license and has server1 and
> server2
>>>> in house.  Company B does not have a Flex license. Company A's
> server1
>>>> has Flex installed, company A's server2 does not.  We could move
> .swfs
>>>> from Company A's server1 to server2, but not to any of Company B's
>>>> servers.
>>>>
>>>> At least, that's how it was explained to me.
>>>>
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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Cedric Muller]

commercial crap:
remember Generator ?
1.5k just to dynamically load JPGs in it ...
marketing crap really


15k.  When Flexbuilder 2 comes out, you can create .swfs without the
server, and it is rumored to be under $1000.  Flex Enterprise Services 
2

(the server version) will likely be back up in the 10-15k range, but I
haven't heard any rumored pricing on that yet.

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danton Chin
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:26 PM
To: Flashcoders mailing list
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

How expensive is a Flex 1.5 license? And will that change when Flex 2

is

available?

Regards,
Danton

Merrill, Jason wrote:

How do you have a license for a server, but not have Flex 
installed

on




it?



Could I do this with one of my web hosting providers then?




Check with Adobe, but in November Macromedia Sales told me as long 
as

we

had a legal Flex 1.5 license installed in one location, they would

allow

us to take the .swfs produced on the server and move them to a

different

server where Flex was not installed as long as the server owner was

the

same entity.

i.e. Company "A" owns one Flex 1.5 license and has server1 and

server2

in house.  Company B does not have a Flex license. Company A's

server1

has Flex installed, company A's server2 does not.  We could move

.swfs

from Company A's server1 to server2, but not to any of Company B's
servers.

At least, that's how it was explained to me.

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RE: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Merrill, Jason]

15k.  When Flexbuilder 2 comes out, you can create .swfs without the
server, and it is rumored to be under $1000.  Flex Enterprise Services 2
(the server version) will likely be back up in the 10-15k range, but I
haven't heard any rumored pricing on that yet. 

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>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Danton Chin
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:26 PM
>>To: Flashcoders mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo
>>
>>How expensive is a Flex 1.5 license? And will that change when Flex 2
is
>>available?
>>
>>Regards,
>>Danton
>>
>>Merrill, Jason wrote:
>>
>>>>>How do you have a license for a server, but not have Flex installed
on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>it?
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Could I do this with one of my web hosting providers then?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>Check with Adobe, but in November Macromedia Sales told me as long as
we
>>>had a legal Flex 1.5 license installed in one location, they would
allow
>>>us to take the .swfs produced on the server and move them to a
different
>>>server where Flex was not installed as long as the server owner was
the
>>>same entity.
>>>
>>>i.e. Company "A" owns one Flex 1.5 license and has server1 and
server2
>>>in house.  Company B does not have a Flex license. Company A's
server1
>>>has Flex installed, company A's server2 does not.  We could move
.swfs
>>>from Company A's server1 to server2, but not to any of Company B's
>>>servers.
>>>
>>>At least, that's how it was explained to me.
>>>
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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[JesterXL]

As of April 1st, 2005 Flex 1.5 was $15k per CPU; not sure about FlexBuilder 
licenses.

Flex 2's FlexBuilder + Flex Framework is guessed to be about $1k, no server 
required.  Not sure what's up with the Enterprise Services 2 and Charting 
Components 2; don't know their pricing yet.

- Original Message - 
From: "Danton Chin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Flashcoders mailing list" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo


How expensive is a Flex 1.5 license? And will that change when Flex 2 is
available?

Regards,
Danton

Merrill, Jason wrote:

>>>How do you have a license for a server, but not have Flex installed on
>>>
>>>
>it?
>
>
>>>Could I do this with one of my web hosting providers then?
>>>
>>>
>
>Check with Adobe, but in November Macromedia Sales told me as long as we
>had a legal Flex 1.5 license installed in one location, they would allow
>us to take the .swfs produced on the server and move them to a different
>server where Flex was not installed as long as the server owner was the
>same entity.
>
>i.e. Company "A" owns one Flex 1.5 license and has server1 and server2
>in house.  Company B does not have a Flex license. Company A's server1
>has Flex installed, company A's server2 does not.  We could move .swfs
>from Company A's server1 to server2, but not to any of Company B's
>servers.
>
>At least, that's how it was explained to me.
>
>Jason Merrill   |   E-Learning Solutions   |  icfconsulting.com
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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Danton Chin]

How expensive is a Flex 1.5 license? And will that change when Flex 2 is 
available?


Regards,
Danton

Merrill, Jason wrote:


How do you have a license for a server, but not have Flex installed on
 


it?
 


Could I do this with one of my web hosting providers then?
 



Check with Adobe, but in November Macromedia Sales told me as long as we
had a legal Flex 1.5 license installed in one location, they would allow
us to take the .swfs produced on the server and move them to a different
server where Flex was not installed as long as the server owner was the
same entity.  


i.e. Company "A" owns one Flex 1.5 license and has server1 and server2
in house.  Company B does not have a Flex license. Company A's server1
has Flex installed, company A's server2 does not.  We could move .swfs
from Company A's server1 to server2, but not to any of Company B's
servers.

At least, that's how it was explained to me. 


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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[JesterXL]

...scratch that idea, then.  I just rent the shared box, I don't own it. 
Thanks anyway.

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From: "Merrill, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:59 AM
Subject: RE: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo


>>How do you have a license for a server, but not have Flex installed on
it?
>>Could I do this with one of my web hosting providers then?

Check with Adobe, but in November Macromedia Sales told me as long as we
had a legal Flex 1.5 license installed in one location, they would allow
us to take the .swfs produced on the server and move them to a different
server where Flex was not installed as long as the server owner was the
same entity.

i.e. Company "A" owns one Flex 1.5 license and has server1 and server2
in house.  Company B does not have a Flex license. Company A's server1
has Flex installed, company A's server2 does not.  We could move .swfs
from Company A's server1 to server2, but not to any of Company B's
servers.

At least, that's how it was explained to me.

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RE: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Merrill, Jason]

>>How do you have a license for a server, but not have Flex installed on
it?
>>Could I do this with one of my web hosting providers then?

Check with Adobe, but in November Macromedia Sales told me as long as we
had a legal Flex 1.5 license installed in one location, they would allow
us to take the .swfs produced on the server and move them to a different
server where Flex was not installed as long as the server owner was the
same entity.  

i.e. Company "A" owns one Flex 1.5 license and has server1 and server2
in house.  Company B does not have a Flex license. Company A's server1
has Flex installed, company A's server2 does not.  We could move .swfs
from Company A's server1 to server2, but not to any of Company B's
servers.

At least, that's how it was explained to me. 

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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Mike Boutin]

So OpenLaszlo may be a better solution as it does not need a OpenLaszlo 
licence to have a standalone swf on the server?


- Original Message - 
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To: "Flashcoders mailing list" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo


That's not 100% true.

You must have a Flex license for the server where the swf is served
from, but you don't have to have Flex installed on it.

I've worked with a couple of clients who use this configuration.

Spike

On 12/21/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Nope, Flex 1 and Flex 1.5.

Flex 1 and Flex 1.5 require a server if you wish to remain legal.  While 
you
can easily create SWF's from Flex 1 and Flex 1.5 and run them 
independently,

unless they were served from a server that has Flex 1 or 1.5 installed,
that's illegal.

Flex 2 does not have this legal requirement, and once you create a SWF, 
you

can do whatever you want with it.

- Original Message -
From: "Adrian Showater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo


JesterXL, please clarify:

"Flex 1.5 and 2 allow you to compile stand alone SWF's.  Flex 1.5, 
however,

requires the Flex server to be installed on the box where the SWF is
deployed to."

Am I correct in assuming that you mean that Flex 1 requires the server 
while

all subsequent versions do not?


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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[JesterXL]

How do you have a license for a server, but not have Flex installed on it? 
Could I do this with one of my web hosting providers then?

- Original Message - 
From: "Spike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Flashcoders mailing list" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo


That's not 100% true.

You must have a Flex license for the server where the swf is served
from, but you don't have to have Flex installed on it.

I've worked with a couple of clients who use this configuration.

Spike

On 12/21/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope, Flex 1 and Flex 1.5.
>
> Flex 1 and Flex 1.5 require a server if you wish to remain legal.  While 
> you
> can easily create SWF's from Flex 1 and Flex 1.5 and run them 
> independently,
> unless they were served from a server that has Flex 1 or 1.5 installed,
> that's illegal.
>
> Flex 2 does not have this legal requirement, and once you create a SWF, 
> you
> can do whatever you want with it.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adrian Showater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:11 AM
> Subject: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo
>
>
> JesterXL, please clarify:
>
> "Flex 1.5 and 2 allow you to compile stand alone SWF's.  Flex 1.5, 
> however,
> requires the Flex server to be installed on the box where the SWF is
> deployed to."
>
> Am I correct in assuming that you mean that Flex 1 requires the server 
> while
> all subsequent versions do not?
>
>
> Adrian Showalter
> Software Developer
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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Spike]

That's not 100% true.

You must have a Flex license for the server where the swf is served
from, but you don't have to have Flex installed on it.

I've worked with a couple of clients who use this configuration.

Spike

On 12/21/05, JesterXL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope, Flex 1 and Flex 1.5.
>
> Flex 1 and Flex 1.5 require a server if you wish to remain legal.  While you
> can easily create SWF's from Flex 1 and Flex 1.5 and run them independently,
> unless they were served from a server that has Flex 1 or 1.5 installed,
> that's illegal.
>
> Flex 2 does not have this legal requirement, and once you create a SWF, you
> can do whatever you want with it.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Adrian Showater" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:11 AM
> Subject: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo
>
>
> JesterXL, please clarify:
>
> "Flex 1.5 and 2 allow you to compile stand alone SWF's.  Flex 1.5, however,
> requires the Flex server to be installed on the box where the SWF is
> deployed to."
>
> Am I correct in assuming that you mean that Flex 1 requires the server while
> all subsequent versions do not?
>
>
> Adrian Showalter
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Re: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[JesterXL]

Nope, Flex 1 and Flex 1.5.

Flex 1 and Flex 1.5 require a server if you wish to remain legal.  While you 
can easily create SWF's from Flex 1 and Flex 1.5 and run them independently, 
unless they were served from a server that has Flex 1 or 1.5 installed, 
that's illegal.

Flex 2 does not have this legal requirement, and once you create a SWF, you 
can do whatever you want with it.

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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2005 9:11 AM
Subject: [Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo


JesterXL, please clarify:

"Flex 1.5 and 2 allow you to compile stand alone SWF's.  Flex 1.5, however,
requires the Flex server to be installed on the box where the SWF is
deployed to."

Am I correct in assuming that you mean that Flex 1 requires the server while
all subsequent versions do not?


Adrian Showalter
Software Developer
Holmes BizNet
www.HolmesBizNet.com <http://www.HolmesBizNet.com>
330.893.3901 ext 102

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[Flashcoders] RE: Flex vs OpenLaszo

[Adrian Showater]

JesterXL, please clarify:

"Flex 1.5 and 2 allow you to compile stand alone SWF's.  Flex 1.5, however,
requires the Flex server to be installed on the box where the SWF is
deployed to."

Am I correct in assuming that you mean that Flex 1 requires the server while
all subsequent versions do not?


Adrian Showalter
Software Developer
Holmes BizNet
www.HolmesBizNet.com 
330.893.3901 ext 102

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