RE: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

[Merrill, Jason]

There is a form to let the BMW Webmaster know of your poor experience with the 
detection script:

http://www.bmwusa.com/BMW2003/Templates/Contact%20Us/ContactSiteRep.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fContact%2fContactSiteRep%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b1B02CA3C-1F83-44BB-9F02-BA5690872E36%7d&NRCACHEHINT=Guest&bhcp=1


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>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders-
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Éric Thibault
>>Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:06 AM
>>To: Flashcoders mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?
>>
>>I'm afraid they dont validate the Flash player There is no code in
>>that page (client side) to do this I think it's a fix message !
>>
>>Kind of poor for a big company like that!
>>
>>A+
>>
>>Count Schemula wrote:
>>
>>>Explore the latest generation BMW M5 ->
>>>-Flash 7 player is required to view this site.  To download Flash 7, click 
>>>here.
>>>
>>>This is AFTER it checked my player, so I should have went right to the
>>>microsite. At first, it was not obvious to me that I could proceed
>>>despite the "warning" and I moved on since I was not going to
>>>downgrade.
>>>
>>>I'm not complaining about Macromedia or the plug-in, just the state of
>>>affairs in general.
>>>
>>>Overall, the express player install to upgrade from 7 to 8 works
>>>pretty well. A little convoluted, going to Macromedia to confirm the
>>>update then popping back open a browser with the original destination,
>>>but it does seem to work pretty well.
>>>
>>>On 10/27/05, Éric Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have the same configuration as yours and everything is ok!
>>>>
>>>>link:
>>>>http://www.bmwusa.com/BMW2003/Templates/MicroSiteHandlerNew3.aspx?N
>>RMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fnewM5%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b842F870
>>6-6EE2-4A57-B409-4FADB716F1E8%7d&NRCACHEHINT=Guest&bhcp=1
>>>>
>>>>Maybe they fixed their code?
>>>>
>>>>A+
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>Université Laval, pavillon Félix-Antoine Savard
>>Québec, Canada
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Re: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

[Éric Thibault]

I'm afraid they dont validate the Flash player There is no code in 
that page (client side) to do this I think it's a fix message !


Kind of poor for a big company like that!

A+

Count Schemula wrote:


Explore the latest generation BMW M5 ->
-Flash 7 player is required to view this site.  To download Flash 7, click here.

This is AFTER it checked my player, so I should have went right to the
microsite. At first, it was not obvious to me that I could proceed
despite the "warning" and I moved on since I was not going to
downgrade.

I'm not complaining about Macromedia or the plug-in, just the state of
affairs in general.

Overall, the express player install to upgrade from 7 to 8 works
pretty well. A little convoluted, going to Macromedia to confirm the
update then popping back open a browser with the original destination,
but it does seem to work pretty well.

On 10/27/05, Éric Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


I have the same configuration as yours and everything is ok!

link:
http://www.bmwusa.com/BMW2003/Templates/MicroSiteHandlerNew3.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fnewM5%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b842F8706-6EE2-4A57-B409-4FADB716F1E8%7d&NRCACHEHINT=Guest&bhcp=1

Maybe they fixed their code?

A+

   


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Université Laval, pavillon Félix-Antoine Savard
Québec, Canada
Tel.: 656-2131 poste 18015
Courriel : [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

[Count Schemula]

Explore the latest generation BMW M5 ->
-Flash 7 player is required to view this site.  To download Flash 7, click here.

This is AFTER it checked my player, so I should have went right to the
microsite. At first, it was not obvious to me that I could proceed
despite the "warning" and I moved on since I was not going to
downgrade.

I'm not complaining about Macromedia or the plug-in, just the state of
affairs in general.

Overall, the express player install to upgrade from 7 to 8 works
pretty well. A little convoluted, going to Macromedia to confirm the
update then popping back open a browser with the original destination,
but it does seem to work pretty well.

On 10/27/05, Éric Thibault <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have the same configuration as yours and everything is ok!
>
> link:
> http://www.bmwusa.com/BMW2003/Templates/MicroSiteHandlerNew3.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fnewM5%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b842F8706-6EE2-4A57-B409-4FADB716F1E8%7d&NRCACHEHINT=Guest&bhcp=1
>
> Maybe they fixed their code?
>
> A+
>
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Re: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

[Éric Thibault]

I have the same configuration as yours and everything is ok!

link: 
http://www.bmwusa.com/BMW2003/Templates/MicroSiteHandlerNew3.aspx?NRMODE=Published&NRORIGINALURL=%2fnewM5%2ehtm&NRNODEGUID=%7b842F8706-6EE2-4A57-B409-4FADB716F1E8%7d&NRCACHEHINT=Guest&bhcp=1


Maybe they fixed their code?

A+

Count Schemula wrote:


I just went to the BMW website, and got ready to "explore the new M5."

Win XP
Firefox 1.0.7
Flash Player 8

The website checks my "extended capabilities" and blocks my progress and
tells me that I need Flash Player 7 to view the website.

Sigh.

The more things change, the more things seem like 1996.

What's funny, or not so funny, the bigest websites are the worst offenders.

I'm a small developer and I get raked over the coals for the stupidest
things and then I go to a big boy site and get junked up.

I use Express Install to force people to upgrade to FP8, mostly because I
love the way the fonts look, and I am going to use the new video codec. I
get light traffic, and I just up and change my whole website every so often,
so, it's not really something I want to do - develop an FP7 and an FP8
website.

The ubiquitous player will never be realized. :(
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Re: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

[Julian Suggate]

Ok cool, I think I missed your point the first time ;-) Looking back it is
there plain as day. The BMW website engineers are asleep at the wheel!


 On 10/28/05, Count Schemula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I know that FP8 can do FP7, but the net effect is, websites are out there
> messing up viewer access/experiences over dodgy detection scripts.
>
> Actually, I kept messing with it and it let me continue past the warning,
> but it was far from obvious that I could do so.
>
> On 10/27/05, Julian Suggate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dude, I'm pretty sure that the BMW website does that because of a bodgy
> > detection script rather than the site actually "requiring" Player7.
> > Player8
> > can handle anything that Player7 could (aka backwards compatibility). In
> > pseudocode, it sounds like the detection script is checking that
> (version
> > ==
> > 7) rather than (version >= 7).
> >
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Re: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

[Count Schemula]

I know that FP8 can do FP7, but the net effect is, websites are out there
messing up viewer access/experiences over dodgy detection scripts.

Actually, I kept messing with it and it let me continue past the warning,
but it was far from obvious that I could do so.

On 10/27/05, Julian Suggate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dude, I'm pretty sure that the BMW website does that because of a bodgy
> detection script rather than the site actually "requiring" Player7.
> Player8
> can handle anything that Player7 could (aka backwards compatibility). In
> pseudocode, it sounds like the detection script is checking that (version
> ==
> 7) rather than (version >= 7).
>
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Re: [Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

[Julian Suggate]

Dude, I'm pretty sure that the BMW website does that because of a bodgy
detection script rather than the site actually "requiring" Player7. Player8
can handle anything that Player7 could (aka backwards compatibility). In
pseudocode, it sounds like the detection script is checking that (version ==
7) rather than (version >= 7).

On 10/28/05, Count Schemula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just went to the BMW website, and got ready to "explore the new M5."
>
> Win XP
> Firefox 1.0.7
> Flash Player 8
>
> The website checks my "extended capabilities" and blocks my progress and
> tells me that I need Flash Player 7 to view the website.
>
> Sigh.
>
> The more things change, the more things seem like 1996.
>
> What's funny, or not so funny, the bigest websites are the worst
> offenders.
>
> I'm a small developer and I get raked over the coals for the stupidest
> things and then I go to a big boy site and get junked up.
>
> I use Express Install to force people to upgrade to FP8, mostly because I
> love the way the fonts look, and I am going to use the new video codec. I
> get light traffic, and I just up and change my whole website every so
> often,
> so, it's not really something I want to do - develop an FP7 and an FP8
> website.
>
> The ubiquitous player will never be realized. :(
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[Flashcoders] are the wheels off the Flash Player wagon?

[Count Schemula]

I just went to the BMW website, and got ready to "explore the new M5."

Win XP
Firefox 1.0.7
Flash Player 8

The website checks my "extended capabilities" and blocks my progress and
tells me that I need Flash Player 7 to view the website.

Sigh.

The more things change, the more things seem like 1996.

What's funny, or not so funny, the bigest websites are the worst offenders.

I'm a small developer and I get raked over the coals for the stupidest
things and then I go to a big boy site and get junked up.

I use Express Install to force people to upgrade to FP8, mostly because I
love the way the fonts look, and I am going to use the new video codec. I
get light traffic, and I just up and change my whole website every so often,
so, it's not really something I want to do - develop an FP7 and an FP8
website.

The ubiquitous player will never be realized. :(
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