RE: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again)
Can I recommend you subscribe to the SWFobject list and post this question there [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the point of the issue you are experiencing I would have thought this could have been also been influenced by browser behaviour and the installers behaviour, regardless of SWFObject, infact, I doubt SWFObject has any control over the installer or what it does after it has installed... although that is pure guesswork! OT: I think you will be lucky if you manage to get the express install to work identically on a lot of browsers over the next year, especially with IE7 coming out. Personally I would hold your horses depending on the commercial status of the website you are attaching this functionality too. Hope the ramblings help! T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Dommermuth Sent: 16 October 2006 18:57 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again) A follow-up. It just worked on one and not the other. So freakin' erratic. will there ever be solid flash detection? At 01:53 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Hello All, I've seen a few posts regarding express install/ swfObject/ ufo etc.. I'm having a problem with both Adobe's express install scheme and swfObject. IE 6 works fine. Firefox (1.5.0.7) forces me to close the browser. No redirect back. I've tried on two different computers. no joy. Anyone else experience this? Is this a known problem? Any fix? Thanks, Kurt ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
RE: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again)
HI Toby, Thanks for the comments. Can I get your opinion on something? I've gone the route of using express install because it seemed to be that at worst you wouldn't be redirected back. Are there other risks? Thanks, Kurt At 06:45 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Can I recommend you subscribe to the SWFobject list and post this question there [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the point of the issue you are experiencing I would have thought this could have been also been influenced by browser behaviour and the installers behaviour, regardless of SWFObject, infact, I doubt SWFObject has any control over the installer or what it does after it has installed... although that is pure guesswork! OT: I think you will be lucky if you manage to get the express install to work identically on a lot of browsers over the next year, especially with IE7 coming out. Personally I would hold your horses depending on the commercial status of the website you are attaching this functionality too. Hope the ramblings help! T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Dommermuth Sent: 16 October 2006 18:57 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again) A follow-up. It just worked on one and not the other. So freakin' erratic. will there ever be solid flash detection? At 01:53 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Hello All, I've seen a few posts regarding express install/ swfObject/ ufo etc.. I'm having a problem with both Adobe's express install scheme and swfObject. IE 6 works fine. Firefox (1.5.0.7) forces me to close the browser. No redirect back. I've tried on two different computers. no joy. Anyone else experience this? Is this a known problem? Any fix? Thanks, Kurt ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again)
there's one other issue with expressinstall, and that is if you are using IE, and some other program on your system is using the flash player .ocx file, then when you finish the upgrade, and your original browser window closes and the new one opens, the page will still think that you have the older flash player installed... so it will prompt to start the install all over again. this mostly happens with people using MSN messenger with the flash player in it (not sure the details, but i guess they have some skins or something that use flash?) this causes the ocx file to be locked and the upgrade can't finish until they quit all the apps that use the flash player. then everything is fine. as for your general issues with the upgrade: the first thing to test, is are you testing it on a web server? the redirect won't work if you are launching it from a local file - this is a common mistake people make when testing it. On Oct 17, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Kurt Dommermuth wrote: HI Toby, Thanks for the comments. Can I get your opinion on something? I've gone the route of using express install because it seemed to be that at worst you wouldn't be redirected back. Are there other risks? Thanks, Kurt At 06:45 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Can I recommend you subscribe to the SWFobject list and post this question there [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the point of the issue you are experiencing I would have thought this could have been also been influenced by browser behaviour and the installers behaviour, regardless of SWFObject, infact, I doubt SWFObject has any control over the installer or what it does after it has installed... although that is pure guesswork! OT: I think you will be lucky if you manage to get the express install to work identically on a lot of browsers over the next year, especially with IE7 coming out. Personally I would hold your horses depending on the commercial status of the website you are attaching this functionality too. Hope the ramblings help! T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Dommermuth Sent: 16 October 2006 18:57 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again) A follow-up. It just worked on one and not the other. So freakin' erratic. will there ever be solid flash detection? At 01:53 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Hello All, I've seen a few posts regarding express install/ swfObject/ ufo etc.. I'm having a problem with both Adobe's express install scheme and swfObject. IE 6 works fine. Firefox (1.5.0.7) forces me to close the browser. No redirect back. I've tried on two different computers. no joy. Anyone else experience this? Is this a known problem? Any fix? Thanks, Kurt ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again)
Hi Geoff, thank you for the clarification. so, as the creator of SWFobject, I'm sure you've put a ton of thought into this. (THANK YOU!) I want to do the best thing. would you say Basic Flash Embed with Express Install allowed is the best option? Or does it still succumb to the problem you outlined below? Basically, what do you use? also, yes, I did initially try testing on a local machine, but ultimately tested on a remote server. The results are inconsistent. thanks again, Kurt At 08:37 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: there's one other issue with expressinstall, and that is if you are using IE, and some other program on your system is using the flash player .ocx file, then when you finish the upgrade, and your original browser window closes and the new one opens, the page will still think that you have the older flash player installed... so it will prompt to start the install all over again. this mostly happens with people using MSN messenger with the flash player in it (not sure the details, but i guess they have some skins or something that use flash?) this causes the ocx file to be locked and the upgrade can't finish until they quit all the apps that use the flash player. then everything is fine. as for your general issues with the upgrade: the first thing to test, is are you testing it on a web server? the redirect won't work if you are launching it from a local file - this is a common mistake people make when testing it. On Oct 17, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Kurt Dommermuth wrote: HI Toby, Thanks for the comments. Can I get your opinion on something? I've gone the route of using express install because it seemed to be that at worst you wouldn't be redirected back. Are there other risks? Thanks, Kurt At 06:45 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Can I recommend you subscribe to the SWFobject list and post this question there [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the point of the issue you are experiencing I would have thought this could have been also been influenced by browser behaviour and the installers behaviour, regardless of SWFObject, infact, I doubt SWFObject has any control over the installer or what it does after it has installed... although that is pure guesswork! OT: I think you will be lucky if you manage to get the express install to work identically on a lot of browsers over the next year, especially with IE7 coming out. Personally I would hold your horses depending on the commercial status of the website you are attaching this functionality too. Hope the ramblings help! T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Dommermuth Sent: 16 October 2006 18:57 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again) A follow-up. It just worked on one and not the other. So freakin' erratic. will there ever be solid flash detection? At 01:53 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Hello All, I've seen a few posts regarding express install/ swfObject/ ufo etc.. I'm having a problem with both Adobe's express install scheme and swfObject. IE 6 works fine. Firefox (1.5.0.7) forces me to close the browser. No redirect back. I've tried on two different computers. no joy. Anyone else experience this? Is this a known problem? Any fix? Thanks, Kurt ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training
Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again)
most of my projects these days do have express install enabled, so i use the same code that is in the 'basic w/ express install' example. swfobject doesn't really do much in the way of express install - all it does is check to see if the user needs the upgrade or not, and then pass some vars into your flash movie. once the movie gets those vars, it just laods a swf from adobe and it takes care of the rest. you do have control over which url is passed into the swf, and that determines where the user is sent after the install is done (by default it's the current page's url, but you can change it by using the xiRedirectUrl attribute. but rest assured, it does in fact work most of the time - i think the issues you are having are probably rare things that may be caused by your specific machine setup, and won't be seen by your users. there's hundreds (thousands?) of websites using this daily, and like you said, even if they aren't redirected back, they still get the updated player and will hopefully find their way back to your site just like they did in the 'old days' before express install existed. On Oct 17, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Kurt Dommermuth wrote: Hi Geoff, thank you for the clarification. so, as the creator of SWFobject, I'm sure you've put a ton of thought into this. (THANK YOU!) I want to do the best thing. would you say Basic Flash Embed with Express Install allowed is the best option? Or does it still succumb to the problem you outlined below? Basically, what do you use? also, yes, I did initially try testing on a local machine, but ultimately tested on a remote server. The results are inconsistent. thanks again, Kurt At 08:37 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: there's one other issue with expressinstall, and that is if you are using IE, and some other program on your system is using the flash player .ocx file, then when you finish the upgrade, and your original browser window closes and the new one opens, the page will still think that you have the older flash player installed... so it will prompt to start the install all over again. this mostly happens with people using MSN messenger with the flash player in it (not sure the details, but i guess they have some skins or something that use flash?) this causes the ocx file to be locked and the upgrade can't finish until they quit all the apps that use the flash player. then everything is fine. as for your general issues with the upgrade: the first thing to test, is are you testing it on a web server? the redirect won't work if you are launching it from a local file - this is a common mistake people make when testing it. On Oct 17, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Kurt Dommermuth wrote: HI Toby, Thanks for the comments. Can I get your opinion on something? I've gone the route of using express install because it seemed to be that at worst you wouldn't be redirected back. Are there other risks? Thanks, Kurt At 06:45 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Can I recommend you subscribe to the SWFobject list and post this question there [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the point of the issue you are experiencing I would have thought this could have been also been influenced by browser behaviour and the installers behaviour, regardless of SWFObject, infact, I doubt SWFObject has any control over the installer or what it does after it has installed... although that is pure guesswork! OT: I think you will be lucky if you manage to get the express install to work identically on a lot of browsers over the next year, especially with IE7 coming out. Personally I would hold your horses depending on the commercial status of the website you are attaching this functionality too. Hope the ramblings help! T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Dommermuth Sent: 16 October 2006 18:57 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again) A follow-up. It just worked on one and not the other. So freakin' erratic. will there ever be solid flash detection? At 01:53 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Hello All, I've seen a few posts regarding express install/ swfObject/ ufo etc.. I'm having a problem with both Adobe's express install scheme and swfObject. IE 6 works fine. Firefox (1.5.0.7) forces me to close the browser. No redirect back. I've tried on two different computers. no joy. Anyone else experience this? Is this a known problem? Any fix? Thanks, Kurt ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com
Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again)
Thanks again Geoff. It means a lot coming from you as you've invested so much time thinking about it. Kurt At 10:10 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: most of my projects these days do have express install enabled, so i use the same code that is in the 'basic w/ express install' example. swfobject doesn't really do much in the way of express install - all it does is check to see if the user needs the upgrade or not, and then pass some vars into your flash movie. once the movie gets those vars, it just laods a swf from adobe and it takes care of the rest. you do have control over which url is passed into the swf, and that determines where the user is sent after the install is done (by default it's the current page's url, but you can change it by using the xiRedirectUrl attribute. but rest assured, it does in fact work most of the time - i think the issues you are having are probably rare things that may be caused by your specific machine setup, and won't be seen by your users. there's hundreds (thousands?) of websites using this daily, and like you said, even if they aren't redirected back, they still get the updated player and will hopefully find their way back to your site just like they did in the 'old days' before express install existed. On Oct 17, 2006, at 9:26 AM, Kurt Dommermuth wrote: Hi Geoff, thank you for the clarification. so, as the creator of SWFobject, I'm sure you've put a ton of thought into this. (THANK YOU!) I want to do the best thing. would you say Basic Flash Embed with Express Install allowed is the best option? Or does it still succumb to the problem you outlined below? Basically, what do you use? also, yes, I did initially try testing on a local machine, but ultimately tested on a remote server. The results are inconsistent. thanks again, Kurt At 08:37 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: there's one other issue with expressinstall, and that is if you are using IE, and some other program on your system is using the flash player .ocx file, then when you finish the upgrade, and your original browser window closes and the new one opens, the page will still think that you have the older flash player installed... so it will prompt to start the install all over again. this mostly happens with people using MSN messenger with the flash player in it (not sure the details, but i guess they have some skins or something that use flash?) this causes the ocx file to be locked and the upgrade can't finish until they quit all the apps that use the flash player. then everything is fine. as for your general issues with the upgrade: the first thing to test, is are you testing it on a web server? the redirect won't work if you are launching it from a local file - this is a common mistake people make when testing it. On Oct 17, 2006, at 8:05 AM, Kurt Dommermuth wrote: HI Toby, Thanks for the comments. Can I get your opinion on something? I've gone the route of using express install because it seemed to be that at worst you wouldn't be redirected back. Are there other risks? Thanks, Kurt At 06:45 AM 10/17/2006, you wrote: Can I recommend you subscribe to the SWFobject list and post this question there [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the point of the issue you are experiencing I would have thought this could have been also been influenced by browser behaviour and the installers behaviour, regardless of SWFObject, infact, I doubt SWFObject has any control over the installer or what it does after it has installed... although that is pure guesswork! OT: I think you will be lucky if you manage to get the express install to work identically on a lot of browsers over the next year, especially with IE7 coming out. Personally I would hold your horses depending on the commercial status of the website you are attaching this functionality too. Hope the ramblings help! T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flashcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kurt Dommermuth Sent: 16 October 2006 18:57 To: Flashcoders mailing list Subject: Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again) A follow-up. It just worked on one and not the other. So freakin' erratic. will there ever be solid flash detection? At 01:53 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Hello All, I've seen a few posts regarding express install/ swfObject/ ufo etc.. I'm having a problem with both Adobe's express install scheme and swfObject. IE 6 works fine. Firefox (1.5.0.7) forces me to close the browser. No redirect back. I've tried on two different computers. no joy. Anyone else experience this? Is this a known problem? Any fix? Thanks, Kurt ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http
Re: [Flashcoders] Express Install (again)
A follow-up. It just worked on one and not the other. So freakin' erratic. will there ever be solid flash detection? At 01:53 PM 10/16/2006, you wrote: Hello All, I've seen a few posts regarding express install/ swfObject/ ufo etc.. I'm having a problem with both Adobe's express install scheme and swfObject. IE 6 works fine. Firefox (1.5.0.7) forces me to close the browser. No redirect back. I've tried on two different computers. no joy. Anyone else experience this? Is this a known problem? Any fix? Thanks, Kurt ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com ___ Flashcoders@chattyfig.figleaf.com To change your subscription options or search the archive: http://chattyfig.figleaf.com/mailman/listinfo/flashcoders Brought to you by Fig Leaf Software Premier Authorized Adobe Consulting and Training http://www.figleaf.com http://training.figleaf.com
