Re: [flexcoders] Flex and AIR on Mobile Platforms
http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Guy Morton g...@alchemy.com.au wrote: ** I think the only thing you should draw from this announcement is that Adobe has given up on trying to support flash as a browser plugin on mobile devices. I think they have seen that a) performance is an issue they may struggle to fix while maintaining compatibility and b) there is market resistance to plugins on mobile platforms (see the Windows 8 Metro plugin-less IE as the final domino to fall there). Flash is now in decline as a plugin technology. It will continue for a good few years yet, but it is trending downwards. Because its life as a plugin is drawing to an end, Adobe is seeking to reshape Flash as an app-building tool. This makes perfect sense, and if they do it well, they could manage to make an army of Flash/flex developers into app developers, which is not all bad. Adobe has read the writing on the wall and is putting a lot of effort into re-shaping themselves as the tool provider for HTML5. Certainly there is a need for great tools in this area, so I hope they succeed in doing this. Also, you might note with interest their purchase of nitobi, who make PhoneGap. Guy On 13/11/2011, at 1:56 AM, e_val_soft wrote: I'd like to understand more about Adobe's latest annnouncement that they will focus on HTML5 on mobile platforms(rather than Flash). Obviously a kick in the head for flex/air developers targetting applications that need or want a mobile client because mobile platform manufacturers will drop Flash (in a flash) from their product plans. I've seen some mixed messages - Adobe's version which is just a change in focus while the industry reads it like a Flash obituary. Here are two bullets from Adobe's announcement: --from Adobe.com •Shifting resources to support even greater investment in HTML5, through tools like Adobe® Dreamweaver, Adobe Edge and PhoneGap, recently added through the acquisition of Nitobi •Focusing Flash resources on delivering the most advanced PC web experiences, including gaming and premium video, as well as mobile apps -- I can almost see them sitting around the board room table debating whether to stick that , as well as mobile apps on the end of bullet 2 just to leave people like us (Flex developers I mean) confused. Pretend you're a Samsung or Motorola executive planning the next release of your latest mobile device. Do we spend $10 million and 40 developers integrating Flash? Since the vast majority of new, innovative applications involve incorporation or embracing of mobile clients, Flash's ubiquity, which is/was its greatest selling point, is gone. I mean when Jobs took a stand to ban Flash from iOS - that was a phaser blast to the holodeck, but this...this is a photon torpedo to the bridge. Am I reading this wrong, or should I be starting my new HTML5 career now? I mean once flash is gone from mobile, it is gone as a general web application framework so forget those desktop focused applications too, except some specialized graphics oriented apps. I think of what I'm developing now on Flex and it would be years away from possible with HTML5 but maybe I should be focusing on HTML5 plus one of the better JavaScript frameworks? I'm really looking for some opinions here about what flex developers think of the near term future based on this announcement. It'd be great to hear some Adobe employee perspectives (probably on gag order) but anyone with some insight, please do tell. I'd love to be told I'm exaggerating the consequence of the announcement -- j:pn \\no comment
Re: [flexcoders] Flex and AIR on Mobile Platforms
The mission for Adobe is to help developers deliver contents to any devices without limitations. Therefore, you get the opportunity to create contents for WP7, iPhone and other devices not capable of Flash-enabled. Both HTML5 and Flash will share similarities performance since both will be using GPU for graphics acceleration. On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Johannes Nel johannes@gmail.comwrote: ** http://blogs.adobe.com/flex/2011/11/your-questions-about-flex.html On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:58 AM, Guy Morton g...@alchemy.com.au wrote: ** I think the only thing you should draw from this announcement is that Adobe has given up on trying to support flash as a browser plugin on mobile devices. I think they have seen that a) performance is an issue they may struggle to fix while maintaining compatibility and b) there is market resistance to plugins on mobile platforms (see the Windows 8 Metro plugin-less IE as the final domino to fall there). Flash is now in decline as a plugin technology. It will continue for a good few years yet, but it is trending downwards. Because its life as a plugin is drawing to an end, Adobe is seeking to reshape Flash as an app-building tool. This makes perfect sense, and if they do it well, they could manage to make an army of Flash/flex developers into app developers, which is not all bad. Adobe has read the writing on the wall and is putting a lot of effort into re-shaping themselves as the tool provider for HTML5. Certainly there is a need for great tools in this area, so I hope they succeed in doing this. Also, you might note with interest their purchase of nitobi, who make PhoneGap. Guy On 13/11/2011, at 1:56 AM, e_val_soft wrote: I'd like to understand more about Adobe's latest annnouncement that they will focus on HTML5 on mobile platforms(rather than Flash). Obviously a kick in the head for flex/air developers targetting applications that need or want a mobile client because mobile platform manufacturers will drop Flash (in a flash) from their product plans. I've seen some mixed messages - Adobe's version which is just a change in focus while the industry reads it like a Flash obituary. Here are two bullets from Adobe's announcement: --from Adobe.com •Shifting resources to support even greater investment in HTML5, through tools like Adobe® Dreamweaver, Adobe Edge and PhoneGap, recently added through the acquisition of Nitobi •Focusing Flash resources on delivering the most advanced PC web experiences, including gaming and premium video, as well as mobile apps -- I can almost see them sitting around the board room table debating whether to stick that , as well as mobile apps on the end of bullet 2 just to leave people like us (Flex developers I mean) confused. Pretend you're a Samsung or Motorola executive planning the next release of your latest mobile device. Do we spend $10 million and 40 developers integrating Flash? Since the vast majority of new, innovative applications involve incorporation or embracing of mobile clients, Flash's ubiquity, which is/was its greatest selling point, is gone. I mean when Jobs took a stand to ban Flash from iOS - that was a phaser blast to the holodeck, but this...this is a photon torpedo to the bridge. Am I reading this wrong, or should I be starting my new HTML5 career now? I mean once flash is gone from mobile, it is gone as a general web application framework so forget those desktop focused applications too, except some specialized graphics oriented apps. I think of what I'm developing now on Flex and it would be years away from possible with HTML5 but maybe I should be focusing on HTML5 plus one of the better JavaScript frameworks? I'm really looking for some opinions here about what flex developers think of the near term future based on this announcement. It'd be great to hear some Adobe employee perspectives (probably on gag order) but anyone with some insight, please do tell. I'd love to be told I'm exaggerating the consequence of the announcement -- j:pn \\no comment
[flexcoders] Flex and AIR on Mobile Platforms
I'd like to understand more about Adobe's latest annnouncement that they will focus on HTML5 on mobile platforms(rather than Flash). Obviously a kick in the head for flex/air developers targetting applications that need or want a mobile client because mobile platform manufacturers will drop Flash (in a flash) from their product plans. I've seen some mixed messages - Adobe's version which is just a change in focus while the industry reads it like a Flash obituary. Here are two bullets from Adobe's announcement: --from Adobe.com Shifting resources to support even greater investment in HTML5, through tools like Adobe® Dreamweaver, Adobe Edge and PhoneGap, recently added through the acquisition of Nitobi Focusing Flash resources on delivering the most advanced PC web experiences, including gaming and premium video, as well as mobile apps -- I can almost see them sitting around the board room table debating whether to stick that , as well as mobile apps on the end of bullet 2 just to leave people like us (Flex developers I mean) confused. Pretend you're a Samsung or Motorola executive planning the next release of your latest mobile device. Do we spend $10 million and 40 developers integrating Flash? Since the vast majority of new, innovative applications involve incorporation or embracing of mobile clients, Flash's ubiquity, which is/was its greatest selling point, is gone. I mean when Jobs took a stand to ban Flash from iOS - that was a phaser blast to the holodeck, but this...this is a photon torpedo to the bridge. Am I reading this wrong, or should I be starting my new HTML5 career now? I mean once flash is gone from mobile, it is gone as a general web application framework so forget those desktop focused applications too, except some specialized graphics oriented apps. I think of what I'm developing now on Flex and it would be years away from possible with HTML5 but maybe I should be focusing on HTML5 plus one of the better JavaScript frameworks? I'm really looking for some opinions here about what flex developers think of the near term future based on this announcement. It'd be great to hear some Adobe employee perspectives (probably on gag order) but anyone with some insight, please do tell. I'd love to be told I'm exaggerating the consequence of the announcement
Re: [flexcoders] Flex and AIR on Mobile Platforms
I think the only thing you should draw from this announcement is that Adobe has given up on trying to support flash as a browser plugin on mobile devices. I think they have seen that a) performance is an issue they may struggle to fix while maintaining compatibility and b) there is market resistance to plugins on mobile platforms (see the Windows 8 Metro plugin-less IE as the final domino to fall there). Flash is now in decline as a plugin technology. It will continue for a good few years yet, but it is trending downwards. Because its life as a plugin is drawing to an end, Adobe is seeking to reshape Flash as an app-building tool. This makes perfect sense, and if they do it well, they could manage to make an army of Flash/flex developers into app developers, which is not all bad. Adobe has read the writing on the wall and is putting a lot of effort into re-shaping themselves as the tool provider for HTML5. Certainly there is a need for great tools in this area, so I hope they succeed in doing this. Also, you might note with interest their purchase of nitobi, who make PhoneGap. Guy On 13/11/2011, at 1:56 AM, e_val_soft wrote: I'd like to understand more about Adobe's latest annnouncement that they will focus on HTML5 on mobile platforms(rather than Flash). Obviously a kick in the head for flex/air developers targetting applications that need or want a mobile client because mobile platform manufacturers will drop Flash (in a flash) from their product plans. I've seen some mixed messages - Adobe's version which is just a change in focus while the industry reads it like a Flash obituary. Here are two bullets from Adobe's announcement: --from Adobe.com •Shifting resources to support even greater investment in HTML5, through tools like Adobe® Dreamweaver, Adobe Edge and PhoneGap, recently added through the acquisition of Nitobi •Focusing Flash resources on delivering the most advanced PC web experiences, including gaming and premium video, as well as mobile apps -- I can almost see them sitting around the board room table debating whether to stick that , as well as mobile apps on the end of bullet 2 just to leave people like us (Flex developers I mean) confused. Pretend you're a Samsung or Motorola executive planning the next release of your latest mobile device. Do we spend $10 million and 40 developers integrating Flash? Since the vast majority of new, innovative applications involve incorporation or embracing of mobile clients, Flash's ubiquity, which is/was its greatest selling point, is gone. I mean when Jobs took a stand to ban Flash from iOS - that was a phaser blast to the holodeck, but this...this is a photon torpedo to the bridge. Am I reading this wrong, or should I be starting my new HTML5 career now? I mean once flash is gone from mobile, it is gone as a general web application framework so forget those desktop focused applications too, except some specialized graphics oriented apps. I think of what I'm developing now on Flex and it would be years away from possible with HTML5 but maybe I should be focusing on HTML5 plus one of the better JavaScript frameworks? I'm really looking for some opinions here about what flex developers think of the near term future based on this announcement. It'd be great to hear some Adobe employee perspectives (probably on gag order) but anyone with some insight, please do tell. I'd love to be told I'm exaggerating the consequence of the announcement
