[flexcoders] Questions, Questions
Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick Bullotta CTO Lighthammer Software www.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. image001.gif
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Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick Bullotta CTO Lighthammer Software www.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. image001.gif
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You can save a Flex app to a SWF very easily: - open Notepad - put in this text: a href=""right click here to save/a - save file as html - open in browser - right click to save as SWF If your Flex server is legal, the SWF won't timeout either. This is how Central works with Flex, too. - Original Message - From: David Terry To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick BullottaCTOLighthammer Softwarewww.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. image001.gif
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Yes, you can compile to SWF (and SWC), but any data services will require the Flex back-end to communicate with. Regarding pricing, 12K is just the list price. Contact the OEM/ISV sales group. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick Bullotta CTO Lighthammer Software www.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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The SWF can still hit your backend without issue as long as it's deployed from the same domain. You don't need Flex server to ensure that. - Original Message - From: Rick Bullotta To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, you can compile to SWF (and SWC), but any data services will require the Flex back-end to communicate with. Regarding pricing, 12K is just the list price. Contact the OEM/ISV sales group. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick BullottaCTOLighthammer Softwarewww.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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To clarify, you don't need Flex server to communicate with back-end data servvices. - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions The SWF can still hit your backend without issue as long as it's deployed from the same domain. You don't need Flex server to ensure that. - Original Message - From: Rick Bullotta To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, you can compile to SWF (and SWC), but any data services will require the Flex back-end to communicate with. Regarding pricing, 12K is just the list price. Contact the OEM/ISV sales group. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick BullottaCTOLighthammer Softwarewww.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Flex server is only a presentation layer that runs on top of your current J2EE/.NET app. There is no diff between a flex app and any other J2EE app in the way the app is deployed... Per my understanding when develop a j2ee app that uses Flex as presentation layer, then you'll have to pay for Flex license in order to deploy the app... and the price might vary it was 12k/2cpu a while back but know is more expensive the good news is that MM is willing to negotiate with you and probably you'll get something that will work out well for you. For short I'm afraid that you cannot run a flex app without paying a runtime license fee... nice huh... way to go JSF... In my opinion the cost of the license might be a show stopper for many small companies that want to develop/deploy flex applications. In addition to the license cost you need to consider some unpleasant limitations this product has and see if for the money you pay you get what you needwhich probably you already did. So, welcome to the dark side... Michael __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Could you expand on/list these unpleasant limitations? I'm one of these small companies trying to decide whether Flex is worth it. Thanks, Jim -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Laudrup Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:09 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Flex server is only a presentation layer that runs on top of your current J2EE/.NET app. There is no diff between a flex app and any other J2EE app in the way the app is deployed... Per my understanding when develop a j2ee app that uses Flex as presentation layer, then you'll have to pay for Flex license in order to deploy the app... and the price might vary it was 12k/2cpu a while back but know is more expensive the good news is that MM is willing to negotiate with you and probably you'll get something that will work out well for you. For short I'm afraid that you cannot run a flex app without paying a runtime license fee... nice huh... way to go JSF... In my opinion the cost of the license might be a show stopper for many small companies that want to develop/deploy flex applications. In addition to the license cost you need to consider some unpleasant limitations this product has and see if for the money you pay you get what you needwhich probably you already did. So, welcome to the dark side... Michael __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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One last time: If you are an ISV or OEM, call Macromedia to discuss your SPECIFIC application needs in terms of pricing. They are very open to working creatively with partners in this aspect, but youll never know unless you call. - Rick From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Schneider Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:22 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Could you expand on/list these unpleasant limitations? I'm one of these small companies trying to decide whether Flex is worth it. Thanks, Jim Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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JesterXL, Could you please expand on your statement? I am trying to create an app that uses web services to manage data. Are you saying it is possible to compile this app into a SWF, give it to Joe Blow, and the app will run without issues? All they would need is the Flash player? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:05 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions To clarify, you don't need Flex server to communicate with back-end data servvices. - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions The SWF can still hit your backend without issue as long as it's deployed from the same domain. You don't need Flex server to ensure that. - Original Message - From: Rick Bullotta To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, you can compile to SWF (and SWC), but any data services will require the Flex back-end to communicate with. Regarding pricing, 12K is just the list price. Contact the OEM/ISV sales group. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick Bullotta CTO Lighthammer Software www.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Im more interested in the unpleasant limitations of Flex. I can then weigh these against whatever price. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions One last time: If you are an ISV or OEM, call Macromedia to discuss your SPECIFIC application needs in terms of pricing. They are very open to working creatively with partners in this aspect, but youll never know unless you call. - Rick From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Schneider Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:22 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Could you expand on/list these unpleasant limitations? I'm one of these small companies trying to decide whether Flex is worth it. Thanks, Jim Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Yes, and no. All code that is needed to talk to the back-end is compiled into the SWF. However, certain things could cause it not to work: - if the SWF is run from a different domain, security restrictions prevent it from working - if your back-end requires HTTPS authentication - if your back-end does checks to see the referrer, true domain, a session ID needed for a webservice call beyond a simple login, or any other check to determine the SWF, and tells the SWF to piss off - your keep timeouts on, and the SWF times out, rendering it useless (unless someone has a SWF decompiler and removes the check) - Original Message - From: David Terry To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions JesterXL, Could you please expand on your statement? I am trying to create an app that uses web services to manage data. Are you saying it is possible to compile this app into a SWF, give it to Joe Blow, and the app will run without issues? All they would need is the Flash player? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JesterXLSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:05To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions To clarify, you don't need Flex server to communicate with back-end data servvices. - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions The SWF can still hit your backend without issue as long as it's deployed from the same domain. You don't need Flex server to ensure that. - Original Message - From: Rick Bullotta To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, you can compile to SWF (and SWC), but any data services will require the Flex back-end to communicate with. Regarding pricing, 12K is just the list price. Contact the OEM/ISV sales group. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick BullottaCTOLighthammer Softwarewww.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Correction, after digging in the flex-config.xml file, SWF's generated from Flex by default use Flex as the proxy for webservice calls... not sure why. Anyway, you can change the config to generate SWF's that never use Flex as the proxy and should work on their own. ...what I can't figure out is where is the "useProxy" proxy attribute the config file talks about? It's not in the FlexBuilder properties panel, nor the docs for WebService? - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, and no. All code that is needed to talk to the back-end is compiled into the SWF. However, certain things could cause it not to work: - if the SWF is run from a different domain, security restrictions prevent it from working - if your back-end requires HTTPS authentication - if your back-end does checks to see the referrer, true domain, a session ID needed for a webservice call beyond a simple login, or any other check to determine the SWF, and tells the SWF to piss off - your keep timeouts on, and the SWF times out, rendering it useless (unless someone has a SWF decompiler and removes the check) - Original Message - From: David Terry To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions JesterXL, Could you please expand on your statement? I am trying to create an app that uses web services to manage data. Are you saying it is possible to compile this app into a SWF, give it to Joe Blow, and the app will run without issues? All they would need is the Flash player? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JesterXLSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:05To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions To clarify, you don't need Flex server to communicate with back-end data servvices. - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions The SWF can still hit your backend without issue as long as it's deployed from the same domain. You don't need Flex server to ensure that. - Original Message - From: Rick Bullotta To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, you can compile to SWF (and SWC), but any data services will require the Flex back-end to communicate with. Regarding pricing, 12K is just the list price. Contact the OEM/ISV sales group. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick BullottaCTOLighthammer Softwarewww.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Just tested, and yep, never works great. I wish it would default to that... but I'm a client developer, so I can see why it defaults to server. - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Correction, after digging in the flex-config.xml file, SWF's generated from Flex by default use Flex as the proxy for webservice calls... not sure why. Anyway, you can change the config to generate SWF's that never use Flex as the proxy and should work on their own. ...what I can't figure out is where is the "useProxy" proxy attribute the config file talks about? It's not in the FlexBuilder properties panel, nor the docs for WebService? - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, and no. All code that is needed to talk to the back-end is compiled into the SWF. However, certain things could cause it not to work: - if the SWF is run from a different domain, security restrictions prevent it from working - if your back-end requires HTTPS authentication - if your back-end does checks to see the referrer, true domain, a session ID needed for a webservice call beyond a simple login, or any other check to determine the SWF, and tells the SWF to piss off - your keep timeouts on, and the SWF times out, rendering it useless (unless someone has a SWF decompiler and removes the check) - Original Message - From: David Terry To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions JesterXL, Could you please expand on your statement? I am trying to create an app that uses web services to manage data. Are you saying it is possible to compile this app into a SWF, give it to Joe Blow, and the app will run without issues? All they would need is the Flash player? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JesterXLSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:05To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions To clarify, you don't need Flex server to communicate with back-end data servvices. - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions The SWF can still hit your backend without issue as long as it's deployed from the same domain. You don't need Flex server to ensure that. - Original Message - From: Rick Bullotta To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, you can compile to SWF (and SWC), but any data services will require the Flex back-end to communicate with. Regarding pricing, 12K is just the list price. Contact the OEM/ISV sales group. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick BullottaSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick BullottaCTOLighthammer Softwarewww.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David TerrySent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web,
RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions
Guys, don't get me wrong... Flex is a very comprehensive library of components/effects and quite new on the market... Things that bothered me over time are: 1. lack of multilingual support out the box; although you can find few implementations but I think flex as UI framework should streamline this a little bit... . Validator package is a perfect example... it doesn't support binded error messages.. 2. not having support for BigDecimals; Flex uses ECMA standards and as Javascript doesn't know how to handle number is double precision 3. AS2 is not an OO language, and I'm thinking at method overloading..., etc; 4. 32k size limitation. Interfaces with lots of UI elements code can get out the blue this error The solution is to refactor the code a little bit, but there is no definitive reason why this is happening 5. scalability issues - times to time when the apps is under heavy load the browser crashes without any reason... Probably a memory leak. Unfortunately, there is no error message logged... that I can find to trace this error. If the application is open in the browser and it isn't used for a good period of time it will stop working in fact not sure if this is a bug or just something that I haven't figured out yet I won't finish before mentioning some things that I do like about Flex: 1. this user group that is very helpful and people advices are very helpful... 2. Cairngorm framework is awesome, and we are eagerly expecting the .99 version or 1.0 release 3. As I already mentioned, a library of components that are very helpful ( in fact this is what you paid for... ) --- Jim Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm more interested in the unpleasant limitations of Flex. I can then weigh these against whatever price. _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:26 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions One last time: If you are an ISV or OEM, call Macromedia to discuss your SPECIFIC application needs in terms of pricing. They are very open to working creatively with partners in this aspect, but you'll never know unless you call. - Rick _ From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Schneider Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:22 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Could you expand on/list these unpleasant limitations? I'm one of these small companies trying to decide whether Flex is worth it. Thanks, Jim _ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ of Service. __ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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4. Darron Schall said this better on the MTASC list, but it's mainly
because:
if(_global.myClass == undefined)
{
_global.myClass = {};
// initialize rest of class here
}
That if block is limited to 32k of data so if your class has more than that
much data, that's why it doesn't work.
- Original Message -
From: Michael Laudrup [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions
Guys, don't get me wrong... Flex is a very
comprehensive library of components/effects and quite
new on the market...
Things that bothered me over time are:
1. lack of multilingual support out the box; although
you can find few implementations but I think flex as
UI framework should streamline this a little bit... .
Validator package is a perfect example... it doesn't
support binded error messages..
2. not having support for BigDecimals; Flex uses ECMA
standards and as Javascript doesn't know how to handle
number is double precision
3. AS2 is not an OO language, and I'm thinking at
method overloading..., etc;
4. 32k size limitation. Interfaces with lots of UI
elements code can get out the blue this error The
solution is to refactor the code a little bit, but
there is no definitive reason why this is
happening
5. scalability issues - times to time when the apps is
under heavy load the browser crashes without any
reason... Probably a memory leak. Unfortunately, there
is no error message logged... that I can find to trace
this error. If the application is open in the browser
and it isn't used for a good period of time it will
stop working in fact not sure if this is a bug or
just something that I haven't figured out yet
I won't finish before mentioning some things that I do
like about Flex:
1. this user group that is very helpful and people
advices are very helpful...
2. Cairngorm framework is awesome, and we are eagerly
expecting the .99 version or 1.0 release
3. As I already mentioned, a library of components
that are very helpful ( in fact this is what you paid
for... )
--- Jim Schneider [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm more interested in the unpleasant limitations
of Flex. I can then
weigh these against whatever price.
_
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Rick Bullotta
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:26 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions
One last time:
If you are an ISV or OEM, call Macromedia to discuss
your SPECIFIC
application needs in terms of pricing. They are
very open to working
creatively with partners in this aspect, but you'll
never know unless you
call.
- Rick
_
From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jim Schneider
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:22 AM
To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions
Could you expand on/list these unpleasant
limitations? I'm one of these
small companies trying to decide whether Flex is
worth it.
Thanks,
Jim
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Hi, This is technically possible (depending on how you choose to connect to data, it may or may not be the best approach). However, it is not a standard license. The product is licensed as a server and requires the license. That said, as Rick mentions helpfully, our ISV/OEM sales team may well be able to help you with the license/cost, if you are looking to build an app and sell it to multiple people. Please contact our ISV/OEM sales team and discuss. If you need a contact, let me know offline. Regards, David Macromedia From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:33 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions JesterXL, Could you please expand on your statement? I am trying to create an app that uses web services to manage data. Are you saying it is possible to compile this app into a SWF, give it to Joe Blow, and the app will run without issues? All they would need is the Flash player? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JesterXL Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:05 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions To clarify, you don't need Flex server to communicate with back-end data servvices. - Original Message - From: JesterXL To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions The SWF can still hit your backend without issue as long as it's deployed from the same domain. You don't need Flex server to ensure that. - Original Message - From: Rick Bullotta To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:56 AM Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Yes, you can compile to SWF (and SWC), but any data services will require the Flex back-end to communicate with. Regarding pricing, 12K is just the list price. Contact the OEM/ISV sales group. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:43 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Rick, Just to clarify You can NOT compile Flex into a SWF? And Any business my company wants to sell this application to needs to spend 12K before they can run a Flex application? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick Bullotta Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 09:33 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions David: Yes, Flex needs Flex to run g. Call Macromedias OEM/ISV sales organization and talk with them about your needs and pricing constraints. They seem very flexible and willing to accommodate unique usage scenarios compared to other OEMs Ive worked with. Rick Bullotta CTO Lighthammer Software www.lighthammer.com From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Terry Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 10:28 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to answer my questions about Flex. Most were basic, new user questions, and I really appreciate all the help. I have been researching Flex for an application my company wants to build and I we have come across a point of contention price. My company now wants this application to be independent instead of integrated into a bigger solution, and the idea of hosting is going out the window. So I have 2 starter questions Can a Flex application be compiled into a SWF file, or made to run independent of the server? Does a Flex application need to be hosted on a Flex server? Thanks, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[flexcoders] Questions, Questions
Hello Everyone, First off I am very, very new to Flex/ActionScript coding like 2 days new, but I am finding this newsgroup to be a great resource. Here is my issue My boss wants an application that will allow the user to drag drop elements into a container, manipulate any elements within the container, and save the positioning data (x/y and height/width) of each child element within the container. I decided to look into Flex as a possible development platform to accomplish these goals, but I am having a hard time finding information. I know I can do the drag drop functionality into the container, but I havent found information on the rest. Here are my questions - Can I reposition elements within the container (using a canvas)? How? Drag drop events? Can I get x/y and height/width information from the items within the container? How? Thanks in advance, David T. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On 4/20/05, David Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I reposition elements within the container (using a canvas)? How? Drag drop events? You can freely reposition using drag and drop within a Canvas. Repositioning involved setting the x and y properties of the object (or calling the 'move' method). Can I get x/y and height/width information from the items within the container? How? canvas.getChildAt(index).x = x-position of child at index Similarly y, width and height... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://manish.revise.org/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Thank you for the information Manish. Setting the x and y Is there some function to call the mouse pointer location? ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manish Jethani Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 13:37 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions On 4/20/05, David Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I reposition elements within the container (using a canvas)? How? Drag drop events? You can freely reposition using drag and drop within a Canvas. Repositioning involved setting the x and y properties of the object (or calling the 'move' method). Can I get x/y and height/width information from the items within the container? How? canvas.getChildAt(index).x = x-position of child at index Similarly y, width and height... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://manish.revise.org/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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On 4/21/05, David Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the information Manish. The mouseX and mouseY properties. See this: http://www.flexauthority.com/Samples/delicious/WhatsCooking.mxml You can drag the images around. You can double-click on them to open a new page. Here's the code: http://manish.revise.org/flash/flex/delicious.zip -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://manish.revise.org/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Perfect! Thank you very much. ~David T. From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Manish Jethani Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2005 14:29 To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] Questions, Questions On 4/21/05, David Terry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you for the information Manish. The mouseX and mouseY properties. See this: http://www.flexauthority.com/Samples/delicious/WhatsCooking.mxml You can drag the images around. You can double-click on them to open a new page. Here's the code: http://manish.revise.org/flash/flex/delicious.zip -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://manish.revise.org/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
