Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
On Friday 30 June 2006 18:25, Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc. wrote: It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections. So ? If your license restricts you to 100, that's all you can use. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
1 From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jack W. Caldwell Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:06 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Matt: Is Dual-Core considered 1 or 2 CPUs? Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:41 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they only allow you 100 users? Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free product is. Hank On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED]ramuschkat.de wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
The question is how important is scalability to your app. If it needs to scale that means multiple machines (or at least processors) and in that case you need to pay. A lighter-weight app may be fine using one CPU in which case FDS Express is the way to go. We expect Express to be used for personal stuff but most business apps that have scalability requirements will need a paid license. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:33 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services On 6/29/06, Tom Chiverton tom.chiverton@halliwells.com wrote: On Thursday 29 June 2006 10:58, hank williams wrote: So does this means that with the enterprise servers if you wanted one machine for production and one for failover it would be 40k? Hmm... So this would mean you can have as many users as you want on one box for free, or you can have a generally unused failover box and a limit of 100 users for 6k. I'm not getting the value proposition. Hank I would imagine it depends if you have active/passive or active/active failover. In the former case, only one server is ever running at a time, ergo one license needed. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
Matt: Is Dual-Core considered 1 or 2 CPUs? Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 1:41 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but theyonly allow you 100 users?Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimitedusers over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I amstill confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the freeproduct is.HankOn 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED]ramuschkat.de wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
Is this going to hold true as processors continue to get faster or will Adobe change their licensing model? For instance, IBM just made a chip that will run at 350GHz at room temperature. It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections. --Kelly From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they only allow you 100 users? Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free product is. Hank On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED]ramuschkat.de wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
I think well cross that bridge when we get to it J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc. Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Is this going to hold true as processors continue to get faster or will Adobe change their licensing model? For instance, IBM just made a chip that will run at 350GHz at room temperature. It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections. --Kelly From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they only allow you 100 users? Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free product is. Hank On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED]ramuschkat.de wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
There are two types of clustering. One type involves the FDS sharing information between nodes. The second type is for remoting, and other similar services where basic load balancers are used.Does the express license allow us to use load balancers where there is no FDS clustering involved? HankOn 6/30/06, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we'll cross that bridge when we get to it J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc. Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Is this going to hold true as processors continue to get faster or will Adobe change their licensing model? For instance, IBM just made a chip that will run at 350GHz at room temperature. It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections. --Kelly From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they only allow you 100 users? Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free product is. Hank On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
IMHO . . . . It is not a matter of a server being able to handle more than 100 simultaneous connections. As many on this forum have said, it depends on the application. It is more likely a product pricing decision by Adobe. However, if you as a developer and through testing determine you need 150 simultaneous connections, for now you must purchase the $ 20K enterprise version. And that is still on only 1 CPU. Seems to me that a tiered pricing plan would make more sense. There is a big difference between $6K and $ 20K, especially if your need is only slightly above the 100 user limit. Maybe for another $ 2,000you can get an additional 100 users, so now you have a 200 user limit. And so on and so on. I would think Adobe would make a lot more sales this way as opposed to $ 6K and $ 20K. It seems that Adobe is hung-up on PER CPU. I guess that is the nature of enterprise server platforms. But gee . . . . Question: What do you guys think? Would you rather pay per CPU or blocks of simultaneous connections? Again . . . . my .02. Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 3:54 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I think well cross that bridge when we get to it J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc.Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:25 AMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Is this going to hold true as processors continue to get faster or will Adobe change their licensing model? For instance, IBM just made a chip that will run at 350GHz at room temperature. It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections. --Kelly From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but theyonly allow you 100 users?Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimitedusers over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I amstill confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the freeproduct is.HankOn 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED]ramuschkat.de wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group
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No, the key here is the idea of an application. How many CPUs does your application potentially interact with (which often means how many CPUs behind the load-balancer, not how many a given app touches). In FDS Express your application can only potentially talk to one CPU, and you get that for free. In departmental 100 concurrent users can interact with your potential CPUs at $6K a CPU. Full license is as many users as you want across all the CPUs. Well be working in an improved pricing page that gets into more gory details over the next week hopefully. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:08 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services There are two types of clustering. One type involves the FDS sharing information between nodes. The second type is for remoting, and other similar services where basic load balancers are used. Does the express license allow us to use load balancers where there is no FDS clustering involved? Hank On 6/30/06, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we'll cross that bridge when we get to it J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc. Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Is this going to hold true as processors continue to get faster or will Adobe change their licensing model? For instance, IBM just made a chip that will run at 350GHz at room temperature. It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections. --Kelly From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt Chotin Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they only allow you 100 users? Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free product is. Hank On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files
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Matt: Regarding "How many CPUs does your application interact with . . ." For example . . . Are you saying a server where the Flex app resides is 1 CPU and the server that has MySQL is a second CPU? Which means I need 2 CPU license? Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:25 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services No, the key here is the idea of an application. How many CPUs does your application potentially interact with (which often means how many CPUs behind the load-balancer, not how many a given app touches). In FDS Express your application can only potentially talk to one CPU, and you get that for free. In departmental 100 concurrent users can interact with your potential CPUs at $6K a CPU. Full license is as many users as you want across all the CPUs. Well be working in an improved pricing page that gets into more gory details over the next week hopefully. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:08 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services There are two types of clustering. One type involves the FDS sharing information between nodes. The second type is for remoting, and other similar services where basic load balancers are used.Does the express license allow us to use load balancers where there is no FDS clustering involved? Hank On 6/30/06, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we'll cross that bridge when we get to it J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc.Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Is this going to hold true as processors continue to get faster or will Adobe change their licensing model? For instance, IBM just made a chip that will run at 350GHz at room temperature. It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections. --Kelly From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but theyonly allow you 100 users?Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimitedusers over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I amstill confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the freeproduct is.HankOn 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XIS
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Wow. This email list is strange. I am only seeing matts email because jack responded to it which means he already got it but I havent. Strange.But anyway, now that I am fully understanding this. It sounds *insane*. You are telling me that remoting, which used to cost $500 or $1000 per server now costs $20,000 per server.I repeat this is insane. It is more expensive than cisco routers. It is more expensive than oracle databases. I repeat. This is insane. No one other than perhaps people using the most valuable and narrow pieces of FDS will pay it. You guys are pricing yourselves out of the market, as you always do. I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market.I am in awe.HankOn 6/30/06, Jack W. Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt: Regarding How many CPUs does your application interact with . . . For example . . . Are you saying a server where the Flex app resides is 1 CPU and the server that has MySQL is a second CPU? Which means I need 2 CPU license? Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:25 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services No, the key here is the idea of an application. How many CPUs does your application potentially interact with (which often means how many CPUs behind the load-balancer, not how many a given app touches). In FDS Express your application can only potentially talk to one CPU, and you get that for free. In departmental 100 concurrent users can interact with your potential CPUs at $6K a CPU. Full license is as many users as you want across all the CPUs. We'll be working in an improved pricing page that gets into more gory details over the next week hopefully. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:08 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services There are two types of clustering. One type involves the FDS sharing information between nodes. The second type is for remoting, and other similar services where basic load balancers are used.Does the express license allow us to use load balancers where there is no FDS clustering involved? Hank On 6/30/06, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think we'll cross that bridge when we get to it J From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelly @ Dekayd Media Inc.Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 10:25 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Is this going to hold true as processors continue to get faster or will Adobe change their licensing model? For instance, IBM just made a chip that will run at 350GHz at room temperature. It seems like that might be able to handle more then 100 connections. --Kelly From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:41 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but theyonly allow you 100 users?Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimitedusers over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I amstill confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the freeproduct is.HankOn 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market. I am in awe. Hank But has anybody bothered to call and ask Adobe what this all means or are we all relying on speculation and gossip of a news list and based on that information, judging Adobe to have priced themselves out of the market. I suspect a company as experienced as Adobe is very much aware of the market and what other similar technologies go for. I would suspect the way it might work is that a large organization would have a FDS server that many other servers talk to for the FDS tasks. This is supposed to be a multi-tier concept is it not? Do you guys running large enterprise systems put an Oracle database server on all your web servers? We do not. That is my uniformed 2cents. And since I know our organization can get by for a long time on the free version and maybe, eventually, someday the 6k version; when and if we get around to using FDS in the first place. So far what I have played with works very well with the ColdFusion flash remoting connection, which is a free upgrade to our ColdFusion license. I am not too concerned about the large version for the foreseeable future. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___ ---BeginMessage--- Wow. This email list is strange. I am only seeing matts email because jack responded to it which means he already got it but I havent. Strange.But anyway, now that I am fully understanding this. It sounds *insane*. You are telling me that remoting, which used to cost $500 or $1000 per server now costs $20,000 per server.I repeat this is insane. It is more expensive than cisco routers. It is more expensive than oracle databases. I repeat. This is insane. No one other than perhaps people using the most valuable and narrow pieces of FDS will pay it. You guys are pricing yourselves out of the market, as you always do. I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market.I am in awe.HankOn 6/30/06, Jack W. Caldwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt: Regarding How many CPUs does your application interact with . . . For example . . . Are you saying a server where the Flex app resides is 1 CPU and the server that has MySQL is a second CPU? Which means I need 2 CPU license? Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:25 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services No, the key here is the idea of an application. How many CPUs does your application potentially interact with (which often means how many CPUs behind the load-balancer, not how many a given app touches). In FDS Express your application can only potentially talk to one CPU, and you get that for free. In departmental 100 concurrent users can interact with your potential CPUs at $6K a CPU. Full license is as many users as you want across all the CPUs. We'll be working in an improved pricing page that gets into more gory details over the next week hopefully. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williamsSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 2:08 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Ther
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Ian: Our questions are based on what Matt said, not speculation. The bottom line, the pricing model has not been adequately communicated. I am not blaming Matt. He has had a lotto do lately and it is probably not his area of responsibility,but Adobe should have already had this information available. Matt should not have to be the one to do everything. Regardless, Matt is here on this forum . . . so we ask. However, for myself and I think Hank and I am sure for others, we want to know today whatthe costs are going to look like as our current applications scale or future applications may need. To me, its called due diligence. Again my .02. Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian SkinnerSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:56 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market.I am in awe.Hank But has anybody bothered to call and ask Adobe what this all means or are we all relying on speculation and gossip of a news list and based on that information, judging Adobe to have priced themselves out of the market. I suspect a company as experienced as Adobe is very much aware of the market and what other similar technologies go for. I would suspect the way it might work is that a large organization would have a FDS server that many other servers talk to for the FDS tasks. This is supposed to be a multi-tier concept is it not? Do you guys running large enterprise systems put an Oracle database server on all your web servers? We do not. That is my uniformed 2cents. And since I know our organization can get by for a long time on the free version and maybe, eventually, someday the 6k version; when and if we get around to using FDS in the first place. So far what I have played with works very well with the ColdFusion flash remoting connection, which is a free upgrade to our ColdFusion license. I am not too concerned about the large version for the foreseeable future. --Ian SkinnerWeb ProgrammerBloodSourcewww.BloodSource.orgSacramento, CA-| 1 | |- Binary Soduko| | |-"C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!"- Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
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I may add that maybe a diagram from Adobe may help us in understanding the pricing model. I guess I am up to .035 now. Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian SkinnerSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:56 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market.I am in awe.Hank But has anybody bothered to call and ask Adobe what this all means or are we all relying on speculation and gossip of a news list and based on that information, judging Adobe to have priced themselves out of the market. I suspect a company as experienced as Adobe is very much aware of the market and what other similar technologies go for. I would suspect the way it might work is that a large organization would have a FDS server that many other servers talk to for the FDS tasks. This is supposed to be a multi-tier concept is it not? Do you guys running large enterprise systems put an Oracle database server on all your web servers? We do not. That is my uniformed 2cents. And since I know our organization can get by for a long time on the free version and maybe, eventually, someday the 6k version; when and if we get around to using FDS in the first place. So far what I have played with works very well with the ColdFusion flash remoting connection, which is a free upgrade to our ColdFusion license. I am not too concerned about the large version for the foreseeable future. --Ian SkinnerWeb ProgrammerBloodSourcewww.BloodSource.orgSacramento, CA-| 1 | |- Binary Soduko| | |-"C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!"- Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
Hi, To clarify: FDS Express COST: Free LIMITATIONS: no more than one application per CPU. No clustering (through J2EE) or load balancing (through hardware or software load balancing) allowed. No multi-CPU deployments of FDS allowed. NOTES: Multiple applications per 1 CPU ok, 1 dual-core CPU ok. FDS Dept COST: 6K per CPU LIMITATIONS: No more than 100 concurrent users per application. NOTES: Can deploy on multiple CPUs, clusters, with load balancing. FDS Enterprise COST: MSRP 20K per CPU (work with Adobe sales for the price that is appropriate for your project) LIMITATIONS: none NOTES: Hope this helps. Eric From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Skinner Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:56 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market. I am in awe. Hank But has anybody bothered to call and ask Adobe what this all means or are we all relying on speculation and gossip of a news list and based on that information, judging Adobe to have priced themselves out of the market. I suspect a company as experienced as Adobe is very much aware of the market and what other similar technologies go for. I would suspect the way it might work is that a large organization would have a FDS server that many other servers talk to for the FDS tasks. This is supposed to be a multi-tier concept is it not? Do you guys running large enterprise systems put an Oracle database server on all your web servers? We do not. That is my uniformed 2cents. And since I know our organization can get by for a long time on the free version and maybe, eventually, someday the 6k version; when and if we get around to using FDS in the first place. So far what I have played with works very well with the ColdFusion flash remoting connection, which is a free upgrade to our ColdFusion license. I am not too concerned about the large version for the foreseeable future. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
Eric: Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric D AndersonSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:14 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Hi, To clarify: FDS Express COST: Free LIMITATIONS: no more than one application per CPU. No clustering (through J2EE) or load balancing (through hardware or software load balancing) allowed. No multi-CPU deployments of FDS allowed. NOTES: Multiple applications per 1 CPU ok, 1 dual-core CPU ok. FDS Dept COST: 6K per CPU LIMITATIONS: No more than 100 concurrent users per application. NOTES: Can deploy on multiple CPUs, clusters, with load balancing. FDS Enterprise COST: MSRP 20K per CPU (work with Adobe sales for the price that is appropriate for your project) LIMITATIONS: none NOTES: Hope this helps. Eric From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian SkinnerSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:56 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market.I am in awe.Hank But has anybody bothered to call and ask Adobe what this all means or are we all relying on speculation and gossip of a news list and based on that information, judging Adobe to have priced themselves out of the market. I suspect a company as experienced as Adobe is very much aware of the market and what other similar technologies go for. I would suspect the way it might work is that a large organization would have a FDS server that many other servers talk to for the FDS tasks. This is supposed to be a multi-tier concept is it not? Do you guys running large enterprise systems put an Oracle database server on all your web servers? We do not. That is my uniformed 2cents. And since I know our organization can get by for a long time on the free version and maybe, eventually, someday the 6k version; when and if we get around to using FDS in the first place. So far what I have played with works very well with the ColdFusion flash remoting connection, which is a free upgrade to our ColdFusion license. I am not too concerned about the large version for the foreseeable future. --Ian SkinnerWeb ProgrammerBloodSourcewww.BloodSource.orgSacramento, CA-| 1 | |- Binary Soduko| | |-"C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!"- Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
Rather than trying to answer one question at a time Im going to let the folks who actually worked on the pricing write up a better guide for it. Well hopefully have it on the web site in the next week (but might be two since many of us will be on vacation next week). Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack W. Caldwell Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:16 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I may add that maybe a diagram from Adobe may help us in understanding the pricing model. I guess I am up to .035 now. Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Skinner Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:56 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market. I am in awe. Hank But has anybody bothered to call and ask Adobe what this all means or are we all relying on speculation and gossip of a news list and based on that information, judging Adobe to have priced themselves out of the market. I suspect a company as experienced as Adobe is very much aware of the market and what other similar technologies go for. I would suspect the way it might work is that a large organization would have a FDS server that many other servers talk to for the FDS tasks. This is supposed to be a multi-tier concept is it not? Do you guys running large enterprise systems put an Oracle database server on all your web servers? We do not. That is my uniformed 2cents. And since I know our organization can get by for a long time on the free version and maybe, eventually, someday the 6k version; when and if we get around to using FDS in the first place. So far what I have played with works very well with the ColdFusion flash remoting connection, which is a free upgrade to our ColdFusion license. I am not too concerned about the large version for the foreseeable future. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
LIMITATIONS: no more than one application per CPU Multiple applications per 1 CPU ok Aren't these two statements contradictory? - Gordon From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eric D Anderson Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:14 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Hi, To clarify: FDS Express COST: Free LIMITATIONS: no more than one application per CPU. No clustering (through J2EE) or load balancing (through hardware or software load balancing) allowed. No multi-CPU deployments of FDS allowed. NOTES: Multiple applications per 1 CPU ok, 1 dual-core CPU ok. FDS Dept COST: 6K per CPU LIMITATIONS: No more than 100 concurrent users per application. NOTES: Can deploy on multiple CPUs, clusters, with load balancing. FDS Enterprise COST: MSRP 20K per CPU (work with Adobe sales for the price that is appropriate for your project) LIMITATIONS: none NOTES: Hope this helps. Eric From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian Skinner Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:56 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market. I am in awe. Hank But has anybody bothered to call and ask Adobe what this all means or are we all relying on speculation and gossip of a news list and based on that information, judging Adobe to have priced themselves out of the market. I suspect a company as experienced as Adobe is very much aware of the market and what other similar technologies go for. I would suspect the way it might work is that a large organization would have a FDS server that many other servers talk to for the FDS tasks. This is supposed to be a multi-tier concept is it not? Do you guys running large enterprise systems put an Oracle database server on all your web servers? We do not. That is my uniformed 2cents. And since I know our organization can get by for a long time on the free version and maybe, eventually, someday the 6k version; when and if we get around to using FDS in the first place. So far what I have played with works very well with the ColdFusion flash remoting connection, which is a free upgrade to our ColdFusion license. I am not too concerned about the large version for the foreseeable future. -- Ian Skinner Web Programmer BloodSource www.BloodSource.org Sacramento, CA - | 1 | | - Binary Soduko | | | - C code. C code run. Run code run. Please! - Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
Matt: Thanks, Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt ChotinSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 6:29 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services Rather than trying to answer one question at a time Im going to let the folks who actually worked on the pricing write up a better guide for it. Well hopefully have it on the web site in the next week (but might be two since many of us will be on vacation next week). Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack W. CaldwellSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:16 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I may add that maybe a diagram from Adobe may help us in understanding the pricing model. I guess I am up to .035 now. Jack From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ian SkinnerSent: Friday, June 30, 2006 5:56 PMTo: flexcoders@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I would love to hear if there is any other similarly priced server software technology (and I'm not talking ERP or something) on the market.I am in awe.Hank But has anybody bothered to call and ask Adobe what this all means or are we all relying on speculation and gossip of a news list and based on that information, judging Adobe to have priced themselves out of the market. I suspect a company as experienced as Adobe is very much aware of the market and what other similar technologies go for. I would suspect the way it might work is that a large organization would have a FDS server that many other servers talk to for the FDS tasks. This is supposed to be a multi-tier concept is it not? Do you guys running large enterprise systems put an Oracle database server on all your web servers? We do not. That is my uniformed 2cents. And since I know our organization can get by for a long time on the free version and maybe, eventually, someday the 6k version; when and if we get around to using FDS in the first place. So far what I have played with works very well with the ColdFusion flash remoting connection, which is a free upgrade to our ColdFusion license. I am not too concerned about the large version for the foreseeable future. --Ian SkinnerWeb ProgrammerBloodSourcewww.BloodSource.orgSacramento, CA-| 1 | |- Binary Soduko| | |-"C code. C code run. Run code run. Please!"- Cynthia Dunning Confidentiality Notice: This message including any attachments is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete any copies of this message. __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they only allow you 100 users? Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free product is. Hank On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED]ramuschkat.de wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]ups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
So does this means that with the enterprise servers if you wanted one machine for production and one for failover it would be 40k?On 6/29/06, Matt Chotin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A departmental server often needs a server for testing and perhaps one other server for failover. We want you to be able to support this configuration so we have an option of $6k/cpu but no matter how many CPUs you have you cannot have more than 100 concurrent users. For enterprise you pay per CPU and your configuration can be whatever you please with as many users as you can handle. HTH, Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:05 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they only allow you 100 users? Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free product is. Hank On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:flexcoders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
On Thursday 29 June 2006 10:58, hank williams wrote: So does this means that with the enterprise servers if you wanted one machine for production and one for failover it would be 40k? I would imagine it depends if you have active/passive or active/active failover. In the former case, only one server is ever running at a time, ergo one license needed. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
Tom: That would be nice if that is the case. However, I can't really see Adobe saying that we purchase 1 license and install on 2 servers, even though only one is active. Someone from Adobe have clarification? Thanks, Jack -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Chiverton Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 6:04 AM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services On Thursday 29 June 2006 10:58, hank williams wrote: So does this means that with the enterprise servers if you wanted one machine for production and one for failover it would be 40k? I would imagine it depends if you have active/passive or active/active failover. In the former case, only one server is ever running at a time, ergo one license needed. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
On 6/29/06, Tom Chiverton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 29 June 2006 10:58, hank williams wrote: So does this means that with the enterprise servers if you wanted one machine for production and one for failover it would be 40k? Hmm... So this would mean you can have as many users as you want on one box for free, or you can have a generally unused failover box and a limit of 100 users for 6k. I'm not getting the value proposition. Hank I would imagine it depends if you have active/passive or active/active failover. In the former case, only one server is ever running at a time, ergo one license needed. -- Tom Chiverton This email is sent for and on behalf of Halliwells LLP. Halliwells LLP is a limited liability partnership registered in England and Wales under registered number OC307980 whose registered office address is at St James's Court Brown Street Manchester M2 2JF. A list of members is available for inspection at the registered office. Any reference to a partner in relation to Halliwells LLP means a member of Halliwells LLP. Regulated by the Law Society. CONFIDENTIALITY This email is intended only for the use of the addressee named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in nor copy it nor inform any person other than Halliwells LLP or the addressee of its existence or contents. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify Halliwells LLP IT Department on 0870 365 8008. For more information about Halliwells LLP visit www.halliwells.com. We are pleased to announce that Halliwells LLP has been voted AIM Lawyer of the Year at the 2005 Growth Company Awards -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
hank williams wrote: So does this means that with the enterprise servers if you wanted one machine for production and one for failover it would be 40k? Sounds like it. My employer has over 200 load-balanced web servers, and several dozen db servers (all with 2-4 physical CPUs each) and this has just ruled out FDS for us. We'll be rewriting that functionality for ourselves. We're masters of data aggregation, and if we're not, we soon will be. :) -- jeremiah(); Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
Well, youre obviously in an enterprise which means that you go through a sales process to purchase your software. Ive never seen a deal for Flex where someone buying for 200 servers actually paid list. Its usually heavily discounted. So before writing off FDS Id at least consider talking to us, it may be that theres a deal to be struck. Matt From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jeremiah johnson Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 3:27 PM To: hank williams Cc: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services hank williams wrote: So does this means that with the enterprise servers if you wanted one machine for production and one for failover it would be 40k? Sounds like it. My employer has over 200 load-balanced web servers, and several dozen db servers (all with 2-4 physical CPUs each) and this has just ruled out FDS for us. We'll be rewriting that functionality for ourselves. We're masters of data aggregation, and if we're not, we soon will be. :) -- jeremiah(); __._,_.___ -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
RE: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services
So you think you *can* cluster the 6k version of the product but they only allow you 100 users? Does that mean that for 20k the enterprise version gives you unlimited users over an unlimited number of CPU's? I bet this isnt so. So I am still confused as to what the difference between the 6k and the free product is. Hank On 6/28/06, Dirk Eismann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The free one has no concurrent user limit - it's all up to your 1 CPU and how much it can handle. If you run a beefy app (not just using proxying but Data Management Services and Messaging etc.) then I bet it will die before you reach the 100 :) Dirk. -Original Message- From: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of hank williams Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 8:54 PM To: flexcoders@yahoogroups.com Subject: [flexcoders] What is the difference between versions of Flex Data Services I understand there is a free version of fds, and 6k version, and a 20k version of fds. But I cant find any detailed info about this on the website. One of the key questions I have is what is the difference between the free version and the 6k version. Supposedly the free version will only allow for one app on one CPU. but as I understand it, the 6k version only allow for 100 users. So does the free one have the same restrictions or not. It sounds like the free one is better than the 6k one, though I am sure thats not the case. Anyway, a detailed description of the value proposition for each version would be very helpful. Thanks Hank Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM -- --~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
