Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-03 Thread Larry Loen
Jim Lux wrote: >At 04:00 PM 1/2/2007, Frank Brickle wrote: > > >>On 1/2/07, James Courtier-Dutton >><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >> >>>I use Microsoft Word's equation editor, reviewing, and cross >>>referencing capabilities a lot, and open office is incompatibl

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-03 Thread petervn
s Mike Naruta Verzonden: wo 3-1-2007 12:51 Aan: Jim Lux; FlexRadio Onderwerp: Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup? Woosies used card decks and punched paper tape. Real Men use the toggle switches and lamps on the console. One row for address and one row for data. I

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-03 Thread Mike Naruta
Woosies used card decks and punched paper tape. Real Men use the toggle switches and lamps on the console. One row for address and one row for data. I could do the binary DEC bootstrap loader in my sleep, and often did. Got so I could tell what was running just by the pattern in the lights. Th

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-03 Thread Simon Brown \(HB9DRV\)
- Original Message - > ... when it gets right down to it, Windows is more of a > "Presentation Manager" than a real operating system, and so, very UI > centric, not OS services centric. Windows NT / 2K / XP / VISTA is based on OpenVMS, if you look at the way the operating system is desi

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread Frank Brickle
Jim Lux wrote: >> But really, if you use either OO or MO for anything beyond letters and >> short articles, you deserve whatever misery you get. Real Men use TeX. > > On punch cards, I'm sure... (after you've graduated from NROFF and paper > tape) Nah. Scribed directly onto DECtape with magnetiz

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
At 04:00 PM 1/2/2007, Frank Brickle wrote: >On 1/2/07, James Courtier-Dutton ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I use Microsoft Word's equation editor, reviewing, and cross > > referencing capabilities a lot, and open office is incompatible for > > some reason. I haven't d

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread Frank Brickle
On 1/2/07, James Courtier-Dutton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I use Microsoft Word's equation editor, reviewing, and cross > > referencing capabilities a lot, and open office is incompatible for > > some reason. I haven't dug into why, but since I need to generate MS > > Word documents for ot

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Jim Lux wrote: > I call BS. It is a royal pain just to reinstall your existing > applications on a new computer, staying in the Windows world. There > are lots and lots of Windows only applications out there that are > quite useful, if not necessary. > > For instance, I use 4NEC2 as a front end

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
At 12:13 PM 1/2/2007, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: >Jim Lux wrote: >>Sure. BUT PowerSDR is a product from a company that presumably >>wishes to stay in business and has to sell product to do so (unless >>Gerald is going to altruistically support ham radio into the >>future..). And for the next

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread Duane - N9DG
--- Jim Lux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I actually think the optimum long range solution is a Linux > embedded > PC in the radio box talking over ethernet to the UI running > on > Windows (or whatever). Then, the radio hackers get a nice > open > source platform to tinker in (and it's easier

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread n4xwe
Hello Everyone, Over the past couple of days I have heard a number of comments in this thread about the "heartache" and "pain" associated with moving from Windows to the Linux OS. How soon we forget. The transition from DOS to the earlier versions of Windows was much more painful. Not on

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Jim Lux wrote: > > Sure. BUT PowerSDR is a product from a company that presumably wishes to > stay in business and has to sell product to do so (unless Gerald is > going to altruistically support ham radio into the future..). And for > the next few years at least (and probably well into the ne

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
At 07:56 AM 1/2/2007, James Courtier-Dutton wrote: >Jim Lux wrote: >>At 02:58 PM 1/1/2007, Ken N9VV wrote: >>>I enjoyed this thought provoking article about the "real" cost of M$ >>>Virus (Vista) >>>http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt >>>de ken > >> >>And that gets to what the

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread James Courtier-Dutton
Jim Lux wrote: > At 02:58 PM 1/1/2007, Ken N9VV wrote: >> I enjoyed this thought provoking article about the "real" cost of M$ >> Virus (Vista) >> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt >> de ken > > > > > And that gets to what the future of an SDR1000/PowerSDR is... > > is

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-02 Thread Jim Lux
At 02:58 PM 1/1/2007, Ken N9VV wrote: >I enjoyed this thought provoking article about the "real" cost of M$ >Virus (Vista) >http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt >de ken There is some interesting commentary that follows that article, to wit, that to a certain extent, the conc

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Frank Brickle
Bill Tracey wrote: > In the Ozy/Janus modified version of PowerSDR we have code to take the > frames from the USB pipe, convert 'em to floats and pack them into a > PortAudio frame and then call the same callback that PowerSDR uses for > PortAudio. > > I'm sure we could get something going on Lin

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Bill Tracey
Yes and No. Ozy/Janus send frames containing audio samples and some control status bits over a USB pipe that can be read via LIBusb. It reads frames containing transmit data and data destined for the monitor speaker. No in that I don't think the USRP handles that data for the speakers and mi

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Frank Brickle
Lyle Johnson wrote: > ... knows the popular > USB knobs and knobs-plus-buttons widgets, handles the various > (supported) soundcards, understands the HPSDR Janus+Ozy interface... Not that far off even now. I have an experimental version that reads MIDI control streams and thus the USB controllers

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread KD5NWA
Lyle Johnson wrote: >> Linux isn't always the most user-friendly hand-holding OS, but you >> can't beat the power and flexibility. > > OTOH, it is reasonable to expect that an application (e.g., SDR-1000 > console) can be made to self-boot and just look like, well, an SDR > console, without havi

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread ZPO
Lyle, Very true - Tivo, Linksys WRT54G/GS (at least until the latest crippled versions) NSLU2, various music players, my Thecus NAS box, etc - All running Linux inside and I've hacked all of them (less my NAS box - I've got too much stuff on it at 2TB to play around comfortably) The difference i

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Ken N9VV
I enjoyed this thought provoking article about the "real" cost of M$ Virus (Vista) http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/vista_cost.txt de ken ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradi

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread KD5NWA
Jerry wrote: > I too am adding my voice to the demand for a Linux version. > > Remember, however, that other software such as logging and "good" RTTY > demod programs are needed to convert the SDR to a useful adjunct to the > shack. We are talking about a system not just a single component

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Frank Brickle
tlf has most of what you want. xlog is very close. 73 Frank AB2KT Greg wrote: > I would cross over to > Linux in a NY minute IF it there were applications for: > Telnet dx spotting > Comprehensive logging program with telnet, rotor control, contestingetc. > PowerSDR > Mapping...similar to DX

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Lyle Johnson
> Linux isn't always the most user-friendly hand-holding OS, but you > can't beat the power and flexibility. OTOH, it is reasonable to expect that an application (e.g., SDR-1000 console) can be made to self-boot and just look like, well, an SDR console, without having to know anything about Linu

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread ZPO
I'm in and very conversant in Linux. Linux isn't always the most user-friendly hand-holding OS, but you can't beat the power and flexibility. 73 N5VFF/YI9VFF - Brian On 1/1/07, Ross Stenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Let the people speak and the revolution begins (continues) > >

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread petervn
Who writes a windows(XP...)-simulator under Linux . ;-( 73 groeten Peter petervn(a)hetnet.nl ; pa0pvn(a)hetnet.nl ; pa0pvn(a)gmail.com ; pa0pvn(a)amsat.org . snip - -- next part -- An HTML attachment

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Greg
: Flex-radio Reflector Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup? Frank Brickle wrote: > Ken -- > > The stuff has to be finished and shrink-wrapped first. The > hardware dependencies aren't big problems. > > The basic issue is that the Linux devel

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Lyle Johnson
>> Count me in on the groundswell... > > Me, too. I would like a load-the-CD-and-go version that just works. > Handles the parallel port, or various USB interfaces, knows the popular > USB knobs and knobs-plus-buttons widgets, handles the various > (supported) soundcards, understands the HPSDR

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Ross Stenberg
Let the people speak and the revolution begins (continues) 73 Ross K9COX > Count me in on the groundswell... ___ FlexRadio mailing list FlexRadio@flex-radio.biz http://mail.flex-radio.biz/mailman/listinfo/flexradio_flex-radio.biz Archive

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Larry Loen
The other, not quite so obvious alternative to Linux would be to support XP, only, for as long as we can. This is not as strange an idea as it looks. It may be that we aren't the only ones unwilling or unable to enter this brave new world of optimizing everything for the record industry. Plen

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Lyle Johnson
> Count me in on the groundswell... Me, too. I would like a load-the-CD-and-go version that just works. Handles the parallel port, or various USB interfaces, knows the popular USB knobs and knobs-plus-buttons widgets, handles the various (supported) soundcards, understands the HPSDR Janus+Ozy

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Ed Haskell
Me too. I'm not going to upgrade to Vista and am not anxious to find that I have to keep a WinXP machine around just because this is no PowerSDR for Linux. On 1/1/07, John Ackermann N8UR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Count me in on the groundswell... > > John > > > Frank Brickle said the fo

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread KD5NWA
Frank Brickle wrote: > Ken -- > > The stuff has to be finished and shrink-wrapped first. The > hardware dependencies aren't big problems. > > The basic issue is that the Linux development has been getting > little more than crumbs. Brilliant crumbs, to be sure, like John > Melton, Edson Pereira,

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread John Ackermann N8UR
Count me in on the groundswell... John Frank Brickle said the following on 01/01/2007 02:56 PM: > If people want a consumer-oriented Linux version, there has to be > a groundswell of popular support for it. Otherwise the individual > Linux developers are going to continue to write to suit >

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Frank Brickle
Ken -- The stuff has to be finished and shrink-wrapped first. The hardware dependencies aren't big problems. The basic issue is that the Linux development has been getting little more than crumbs. Brilliant crumbs, to be sure, like John Melton, Edson Pereira, and Bob Cowdery. Crumbs nonetheless.

Re: [Flexradio] Linux, any chance of a knoppix like setup?

2007-01-01 Thread Ken N9VV
Dear smart Linux guys, I wonder if in the future there might be any chance of a Knoppix LiveCD style setup for PowerSDR? It would be so wonderful to have a pre-configured O/S that I can run off my CDROM (or 1GB USB stick) with everything in RAM. Perhaps dependencies on parallel port, display, a