RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread Jon Berndt
> Just out of curiosity, what is the shuttle's approach speed, and can > it recover from a stall? > > David I recall reading that initial flights landed at about 205 mph. This page: http://www-pao.ksc.nasa.gov/kscpao/nasafact/count3slf.htm says that the landing speed is typically now 213 to 226

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread David Megginson
Jon Berndt writes: > Actually, I meant the pre-flare, which occurs at about 1800 ft. agl. This > brings the glideslope from about 20 to less than 2 degrees. That's where > he clobbered me. He was toying with me. The operators had some sense of > humour... Just out of curiosity, what is the s

RE: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread Jon Berndt
> Jon S Berndt writes: > > > Just as I flared during the last landing he gave me a 100 knot > > tailwind. If there would have been a black box, it would have > > gotten from me only a "What the ... !" before I pancaked in. > > If you were flaring, you were probably close enough to the ground to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread David Megginson
Jon S Berndt writes: > Just as I flared during the last landing he gave me a 100 knot > tailwind. If there would have been a black box, it would have > gotten from me only a "What the ... !" before I pancaked in. If you were flaring, you were probably close enough to the ground to survive (i.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread Jon S Berndt
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 16:54:12 -0500 (CDT) "Curtis L. Olson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >However, we would also need to be able to turn off the auto-failure >generation module and allow an instructor (or a script) have complete >control over the failures. This way an instructor could use the sim

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Andy Ross writes: > This could actually be done with minimal C++ code. Picture a "failure > manager" that walks a property tree under "/failures". For each > child, it reads a "mtbf-sec" property and sets the "working" boolean > with a random probability that corresponds to the failure rate. Th

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread Andy Ross
Curtis L. Olson wrote: > But to your other point, I agree that we should start looking into > failure modes. This is one big un-addressed issue. I could make up a > list of interesting failure modes if anyone was interested. This could actually be done with minimal C++ code. Picture a "failure

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: > I've never, ever seen this problem (and I'm not lying my butt off > about this like some software vendors I currently have to deal with.) > But if you observe this happening again, you might double check that > you didn't inadvertantly activate the wing leveler or he

Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: > I was testing some aero changes by flying in mouse mode (which is > easier than pulling out the yoke and clamping it onto my desk) when > something went wrong -- suddenly, the mouse would no longer control > the ailerons, though it still controlled the elevators. I was o

[Flightgear-devel] FlightGear precautionary landing

2002-07-08 Thread David Megginson
I was testing some aero changes by flying in mouse mode (which is easier than pulling out the yoke and clamping it onto my desk) when something went wrong -- suddenly, the mouse would no longer control the ailerons, though it still controlled the elevators. I was off from the runway and heading f