Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is fine, but there is no

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Erik Hofman
David Megginson wrote: Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
David Megginson writes: Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
I can find nothing anywhere else suggesting a new runway at Ferihegy. Landing on taxiways or even at the wrong airport is not completely without precident. LOL... I can assure you it was the right airport, and given that no reversers and only little wheelbrake was used, the runway must

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Major A writes: LOL... I can assure you it was the right airport, and given that no reversers and only little wheelbrake was used, the runway must have been quite long, certainly longer than the taxiway in that direction. The crew was quite professional, the landing was exceptionally smooth

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I tried it on my last flight.

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: The only thing I can imagine is that it was a DME approach, and we did a very gradual right turn in the last 10 minutes -- but that would have required more room really. And there is no navaid in the right place anyway. No way we could have turned left into 31R, that would

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed that it actually worked when I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
The only thing I can imagine is that it was a DME approach, and we did a very gradual right turn in the last 10 minutes -- but that would have required more room really. And there is no navaid in the right place anyway. No way we could have turned left into 31R, that would have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Christian Mayer
David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the aircaft. I was pretty amazed

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Christian Mayer writes: David Megginson wrote: Curtis L. Olson writes: Too bad they make you turn your gps off during the last few minutes of the flight. My little hand held garmin can pick up enough satellites to get a position if I hold it right up to the window of the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Norman Vine
Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... Or a savy customer relations staff that trains it's crews to make the passengers feel important :-) Norman

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? Captain: Hey, can you hold onto the yoke for a few

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: I guess the navigator never uses any of the old radar etc. equipment anymore... The radar equipment is usually for weather, terrain, and traffic detection, not for primary navigation. All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.megginson.com/

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: That's what I thought, but the sky was clear and we could see all the lights on the ground. If it was at night, then anything you saw was especially unreliable. Pilots have a hard time flying VFR at night even with a full view out the front, and everything you see looks

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is? The PC-12 is supposed to be a very

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Major A
If it was at night, then anything you saw was especially unreliable. Pilots have a hard time flying VFR at night even with a full view out the front, and everything you see looks different. You were probably just on the approach to 13L/R. That would have taken us straight over the city,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Tony Peden
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:50, David Megginson wrote: Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Tony Peden
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 10:02, Tony Peden wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:50, David Megginson wrote: Christian Mayer writes: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Christian Mayer
Major A wrote: Anyone know any good ways of getting permission to get onto the flight deck for a commercial flight? (I'm not thinking of box cutters, BTW.) (Also, I'm not a pilot and don't know the crew.) Before 9/11 it was no problem at all - just ask a passing stewardess. After 9/11 I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread David Megginson
Tony Peden writes: Altitude and rate of change of DME ought to work too ... That is assuming you are on a radial, of course. ... which is always the case with a Victor airway. You can also discount altitude unless you're very close to the station, since the difference between slant

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Tony Peden
On Sat, 2003-01-18 at 09:19, Major A wrote: Sounds like a very reliable plane and/or company when the pilot has to ask an ordinary passenger for his ground speed... What would he do if no passenger had a GPS? Fly more carefully as he doesn't know how reliable his data is?

RE: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-18 Thread Michael Basler
Tony, Anyone know any good ways of getting permission to get onto the flight deck for a commercial flight? (I'm not thinking of box cutters, BTW.) (Also, I'm not a pilot and don't know the crew.) It is illegal in the U.S. until after the flight. It was legal in Germany before September,

re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-17 Thread David Megginson
Major A writes: Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ All the best, David -- David Megginson, [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [OT] runways at LHBP?

2003-01-17 Thread Major A
Anyone know of a new runway at LHBP (Budapest Ferihegy), or where I can find more up-to-date information about it? Depending on how good your Hungarian is, you can try this: http://www.bud-airport.hu/ Thanks, my Hungarian is fine, but there is no information on that site that I