Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I do look out for drivers _before_ I buy a card for my or my customers'
PeeCee (currently I don't even own a PC ;-)
Is it sgi machines that you run on?
It became sort of a hobby to collect used Unix workstations. I have an
Octane with MXI graphics
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Martin Spott writes:
Not many, but on the other hand you won't have much trouble with the
BIOS when you think about a standalone FlightGear CD. Dealing with a
bunch of different kernel modules for autodetecting different vendors'
cards might prove to
Hi Martin,
Martin Spott writes:
Especially the mess with NVidia's drivers is the manufacturer's fault.
ATI at least _tries_ to conform with the standards proposed by the DRI.
With ATI you can copy the DRI driver module and the kernel module
(after tweaking the build script) to the appropriate
Martin writes:
It became sort of a hobby to collect used Unix workstations. I have
an Octane with MXI graphics and TRAM as workplace at home, but this
machine (only 195 MHz) turned out not being able to keep up with
recent development. Its CPU is simply too slow and can't cope with
all the
Martin Spott wrote:
a) Unload the kernel's GART module during the autodetection and load
NVidia's special kernel module,
b) replace the OpenGL libraries,
c) run a special X Server.
Martin, just stop this flaming; b is true. a and c are not, and
have never been.
NVidia's drivers install
Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
a) Unload the kernel's GART module during the autodetection and load
NVidia's special kernel module,
Nvidia's kernel module does have an AGP driver, but it is smart enough
to not activate this portion of the driver if the linux GART module is
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, Martin Spott wrote:
a) Unload the kernel's GART module during the autodetection and load
NVidia's special kernel module,
Nope - it'll use kernel GART, or its own internal one.
b) replace the OpenGL libraries,
The installer does this automatically
c) run a special X
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[...] But I don't feel like making a fgfs CD. The problems with
licenses of different proprietary graphic cards aren't such a great
motivation.
I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff. There
are enough cards with OpenSource
On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
* Martin Spott -- Sunday 21 December 2003 00:07:
I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff.
I understand, but then the whole effort is pretty useless. There are
too many nVidia card users, and no open source 3D drivers for
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Martin Spott -- Sunday 21 December 2003 00:07:
I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff.
I understand, but then the whole effort is pretty useless. There are
too many nVidia card users, and no open source 3D drivers for them.
Martin Spott wrote:
As you already said:
[...] The problems with licenses of different proprietary graphic
cards aren't such a great motivation.
I second that. Why shouldn't people use cards with OpenSource drivers
for a presentation of an OpenSource flight simulator ?
FlightGear developers are
Martin Spott writes:
Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Martin Spott -- Sunday 21 December 2003 00:07:
I tend to include OpenSource drivers only, no proprietary stuff.
I understand, but then the whole effort is pretty useless. There are
too many nVidia card users, and no open
Curtis L. Olson writes:
But personally, I don't mind if
FlightGear runs on top of proprietary operating systems or drivers
such as Mac OS, sgi, windows, solaris, or a binary nvidia driver on
linux. There needs to be a balance between idealism and pragmatism.
Taking the paragmatic route a
Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the open source drivers don't support some of the newer ATI cards.
Sorry, why do you buy cards that are not supported by OpenSource
drivers ? You are developing OpenSource software, why don't you take
care of that. I can't accept this as a valid
Martin Spott writes:
Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the open source drivers don't support some of the newer ATI cards.
Sorry, why do you buy cards that are not supported by OpenSource
drivers ? You are developing OpenSource software, why don't you take
care of that. I can't
Norman Vine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Taking the paragmatic route a little further --
I wonder how many machines running FGFS are running with an
Open Source BIOS ?
Not many, but on the other hand you won't have much trouble with the
BIOS when you think about a standalone FlightGear CD.
Martin Spott writes:
Not many, but on the other hand you won't have much trouble with the
BIOS when you think about a standalone FlightGear CD. Dealing with a
bunch of different kernel modules for autodetecting different vendors'
cards might prove to end in a huge mess. This _is_ very
From: Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the open source drivers don't support some of the newer ATI cards.
Sorry, why do you buy cards that are not supported by OpenSource
drivers ? You are developing OpenSource software, why don't you take
care of
Alex Perry writes:
From: Martin Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And the open source drivers don't support some of the newer ATI cards.
Sorry, why do you buy cards that are not supported by OpenSource
drivers ? You are developing OpenSource software, why
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