Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: JSBSim Cessna 172p stability patch

2004-05-20 Thread David Megginson
Jon Berndt wrote: Thanks, David. There are a couple of things I can think of to do, here. One is that I sure wish I had time to make a DATCOM model of the C-172 that could give me some aero data for comparison. But with my schedule now I can't make any promises, but I will get to this someday!

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: JSBSim Cessna 172p stability patch

2004-05-20 Thread David Megginson
Jon Berndt wrote: Given these numbers I'd suspect that if there is a problem, perhaps we need to review our MoI's. That makes a lot of sense -- I was worried that the damping numbers were masking a different problem. All the best, David ___

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: JSBSim Cessna 172p stability patch

2004-05-20 Thread Jon Berndt
That is a tricky issue, because using spring-loaded controllers gives a significantly different feel than fully-loaded aircraft controls, and there is always a danger of altering the flight characteristics to compensate for the control differences. FWIW, I sent an email to Cessna customer

Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: JSBSim Cessna 172p stability patch

2004-05-20 Thread Tony Peden
On Thu, 2004-05-20 at 05:17, David Megginson wrote: Jon Berndt wrote: Thanks, David. There are a couple of things I can think of to do, here. One is that I sure wish I had time to make a DATCOM model of the C-172 that could give me some aero data for comparison. But with my schedule

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: JSBSim Cessna 172p stability patch

2004-05-19 Thread Jon Berndt
Coming back to the (default) JSBSim Cessna 172p after spending a couple of months flying the YASim pa28-161, I find the 172 extremely slippery, far too much for a trainer. While the Cherokee tends to feel more stable in flight than a 172 (i.e. it has more roll, pitch, and yaw damping), the

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: JSBSim Cessna 172p stability patch

2004-05-19 Thread Jon Berndt
For comparison: I've made a patched-up file that allows the 172p to handle much more realistically, but I'm not willing to upload it to CVS yet, because I'm not sure that I've done the right thing. To keep the 172 from wallowing, I increased the roll damping coefficient (Clp) from -0.484 to

RE: [Flightgear-devel] RFD: JSBSim Cessna 172p stability patch

2004-05-19 Thread Jon Berndt
The Navion has Clp = -0.410 Cmq = -9.960 Cnr = -0.125 ... Given these numbers I'd suspect that if there is a problem, perhaps we need to review our MoI's. Jon ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]