Re: [Flightgear-devel] [PATCH] README typo

2007-07-24 Thread Timothy Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Committed, thanks. Tim Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: Fix typo in README Index: README === RCS file:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Hans Ulrich Niedermann -- Sunday 22 July 2007: As the whole thing is still in development, it makes sense for developers to have more than just one of the three, so that one can compare their behaviours. And how many developers actually do it? My guess: one. That would be you. But you have

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Melchior FRANZ wrote: [...] In the PLIB branch we should rather make SDL default, as freeglut is notoriously broken (repeatable keys; reportedly slower FPS(?)). And in the OSG branch [...] We shouldn't: fg/SDL breaks on Swedish keyboards at

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* AnMaster -- Tuesday 24 July 2007: Melchior FRANZ wrote: [...] In the PLIB branch we should rather make SDL default, as freeglut is notoriously broken (repeatable keys; reportedly slower FPS(?)). And in the OSG branch [...] We shouldn't: fg/SDL breaks on Swedish keyboards at least. You

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from onesource tree

2007-07-24 Thread Norman Vine
Melchior FRANZ writes: * Hans Ulrich Niedermann -- Sunday 22 July 2007: As the whole thing is still in development, it makes sense for developers to have more than just one of the three, so that one can compare their behaviours. And how many developers actually do it? I hope many :-)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from onesource tree

2007-07-24 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Norman Vine -- Tuesday 24 July 2007: Melchior FRANZ writes: * Hans Ulrich Niedermann -- Sunday 22 July 2007: As the whole thing is still in development, it makes sense for developers to have more than just one of the three, so that one can compare their behaviours. And how many

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Hans Fugal
On 7/24/07, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Hans Ulrich Niedermann -- Sunday 22 July 2007: As the whole thing is still in development, it makes sense for developers to have more than just one of the three, so that one can compare their behaviours. And how many developers

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Hans Fugal -- Tuesday 24 July 2007: He didn't have an argument. He had a solution Yeah, but what annoys me is that it's a solution that is in fact about turning fgfs into shared libs, but disguised as a solution for (allegedly) responsible developers. The former is a rather big change, the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Hans Fugal
On 7/24/07, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Hans Fugal -- Tuesday 24 July 2007: He didn't have an argument. He had a solution Yeah, but what annoys me is that it's a solution that is in fact about turning fgfs into shared libs, but disguised as a solution for (allegedly)

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Curtis Olson
On 7/24/07, Melchior FRANZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... it's a solution that is in fact about turning fgfs into shared libs ... For whatever it's worth, we went down the libtool path for a while in FlightGear and decided at the time that the headaches a weirdness of libtool simply wasn't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Melchior FRANZ wrote: If your argument would have been that we want shared libs (which we clearly didn't want in the past), then there'd be something to discuss. I know that shared libs are not wanted here, so I was not going to propose them. But if it's only about developers wasting less

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Hans Fugal -- Tuesday 24 July 2007: He didn't have an argument. He had a solution Yeah, but what annoys me is that it's a solution that is in fact about turning fgfs into shared libs, but disguised as a solution for (allegedly) responsible developers. I do not want

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Curtis Olson wrote: I have no problem with people using libtool for genuine shared library packages; it can make a lot of sense there. But for FlightGear/SimGear we found that it ended up causing more headaches than it cured. My proposal is NOT to switch FG to use libtool. My proposal is to

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Stefan Seifert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 AnMaster wrote: Melchior FRANZ wrote: [...] In the PLIB branch we should rather make SDL default, as freeglut is notoriously broken (repeatable keys; reportedly slower FPS(?)). And in the OSG branch [...] We shouldn't: fg/SDL breaks on Swedish

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Harald JOHNSEN
Stefan Seifert wrote: AnMaster wrote: We shouldn't: fg/SDL breaks on Swedish keyboards at least. For example ] is on AltGr-9, that works with both GLUT and FreeGLUT but not with SDL. Interesting: I've been using fg/SDL for at least a year now and am using a German keyboard where ] is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: My proposal is NOT to switch FG to use libtool. My proposal is to allow building statically linked executables as FG is doing not, but build up three different executables in the same one build tree. Uhm, that did not quite come out right. Corrected version:

Re: [Flightgear-devel] MIBS altitude following problems

2007-07-24 Thread sydadams
Quoting AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 The altitude following mode of the --aircraft=mibs is lazy, that is it doesn't follow very closely, while this is good in case of for example loops, it cause problems when following for example a climbing

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Hans Ulrich Niedermann
I need to revise Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: However, src/GUI/libGUI.a is linked against plib - and plib choses at compile time which backend it will use. FG CVS does that via AC_DEFINEs in configure.ac (PU_USE_GLUT, PU_USE_SDL, PU_USE_NATIVE), i.e. via #defines in config.h. For

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Building multiple fgfs binaries from one source tree

2007-07-24 Thread Tim Moore
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: I need to revise Hans Ulrich Niedermann wrote: However, src/GUI/libGUI.a is linked against plib - and plib choses at compile time which backend it will use. FG CVS does that via AC_DEFINEs in configure.ac

Re: [Flightgear-devel] MIBS altitude following problems

2007-07-24 Thread AnMaster
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting AnMaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 The altitude following mode of the --aircraft=mibs is lazy, that is it doesn't follow very closely, while this is good in case of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Fi-156 Storch

2007-07-24 Thread Ron Jensen
Been working on the stork, so I updated my safety copy. - Finished window frames - Added some of the windows - Added grey cockpit walls - painted underside of aircraft lt. blue - swapped the prop model There's some quicky screen caps here, too: http://www.jentronics.com/fgfs/storch-001.jpg