Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-11 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Wednesday 05 November 2008: * Curtis Olson -- 11/3/2008 4:46 PM: - If it was me doing this, I would suggest something like: Airports/L/LO/LOX/LOXA.xml (just the one file per airport) As I wrote previously, if we drop the requirement to have separated files per airport,

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-05 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis Olson -- 11/3/2008 4:46 PM: - If it was me doing this, I would suggest something like: Airports/L/LO/LOX/LOXA.xml (just the one file per airport) As I wrote previously, if we drop the requirement to have separated files per airport, then I'd go with Curt's layout. Of course, this makes

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-04 Thread Melchior FRANZ
Hi, * Ralf Gerlich -- 11/3/2008 5:29 PM: why do you take this to the -users list again, where it is obviously off-topic as a development issue and after I had taken the discussion where it belongs: to the -devel list? Sorry, that was an accident. I had intended to stop posting to this

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison )

2008-11-04 Thread gerard robin
On mardi 04 novembre 2008, Ron Jensen wrote: On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 14:27 +0100, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Ron Jensen -- 11/4/2008 1:15 PM: I'll shut up now since I've already been told I'm not a real FlightGear developer and I'm not welcome to create scenery. I hope that wasn't me. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-04 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:21:30 +0100, Melchior wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yes, because the need to have many files per airport was actually your only argument. I based my final suggestion on that requirement. But, ok, let's go with the on-file-per-airport approach. I actually find

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-04 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Ron Jensen wrote: Managing this in CVS would add another 9,681 CVS directories and 29,000 (Entries, Repository and Root) files. No management in CVS is planned. Cheers, Ralf -- Ralf Gerlich | World Custom Scenery Project Computer Scientist|

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-04 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Ron Jensen -- 11/4/2008 1:15 PM: On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 10:01 +0100, Ralf Gerlich wrote: I have already provided the arguments in favour of the three-level hierarchy. Yes, we were really only arguing over whether a fourth level would be too expensive, and whether organizing files via

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-04 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Ralf Gerlich wrote: Ron Jensen wrote: Managing this in CVS would add another 9,681 CVS directories and 29,000 (Entries, Repository and Root) files. No management in CVS is planned. At least not in this structure. This is a means of data transport, not of data management. Cheers, Ralf --

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison )

2008-11-04 Thread Syd
Ok my turn :) I found Ron's comment about not being welcome to create scenery a bit disturbing ... why? So I'll ask a dumb , non developer question: What exactly is the purpose of this directory setup ? Will it affect my own attempt to update local scenery ?Is it meant to make scenery additions

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-04 Thread Ron Jensen
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 14:27 +0100, Melchior FRANZ wrote: * Ron Jensen -- 11/4/2008 1:15 PM: I'll shut up now since I've already been told I'm not a real FlightGear developer and I'm not welcome to create scenery. I hope that wasn't me. I don't label people real or non-real something. But

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-04 Thread Ron Jensen
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 10:01 +0100, Ralf Gerlich wrote: Curtis Olson wrote: Is there a reason that we split up each airport's data into at least 5 different files? There is reason to separate the pure airport geometry data from the AI-network. Those come from different sources and are

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison )

2008-11-04 Thread Durk Talsma
On Tuesday 04 November 2008 21:26:18 Syd wrote: Hi Syd, Ok my turn :) I found Ron's comment about not being welcome to create scenery a bit disturbing ... why? Just to make a slightly off thread comment: All I can say is that Ron's comments on this list have been courteous and professional

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1

2008-11-04 Thread Martin Spott
Syd wrote: Ok my turn :) Yeah, yeah, yeah ;-) I must have missed out on all the discussion about this change , sorry . Have it here: http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg17407.html I'm about to try to finish the airport , so are there any changes in

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison )

2008-11-04 Thread Syd
Thanks guys , I think I understand the purpose now. I was referring to adding airport building at CYVR , I haven't tried actually modifying the terrain or airport layout . Cheers - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison )

2008-11-04 Thread Ron Jensen
On Tue, 2008-11-04 at 22:19 +0100, Durk Talsma wrote: On Tuesday 04 November 2008 21:26:18 Syd wrote: Hi Syd, Ok my turn :) I found Ron's comment about not being welcome to create scenery a bit disturbing ... why? Just to make a slightly off thread comment: All I can say is that Ron's

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-03 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi Melchior, why do you take this to the -users list again, where it is obviously off-topic as a development issue and after I had taken the discussion where it belongs: to the -devel list? The proposal as posted in my announcement was designed by a group of developers, not just Martin and me. I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-03 Thread Alex Perry
Off topic to Melchior and Ralf's non-technical discussion, but: On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 8:29 AM, Ralf Gerlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The index concept has some similarity to a B-tree (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-Tree) in terms of structure, though the balancing aspect and therefore some of

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1 (final directory comparison)

2008-11-03 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Alex Perry -- 11/3/2008 11:26 PM: Off topic to Melchior and Ralf's non-technical discussion, but: Better non-technical than technical but wrong. ;-) To truly optimize for load balancing the operating system's directory searches, This isn't about load balancing at all. It's just about

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1

2008-11-02 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Ralf Gerlich -- 11/1/2008 7:35 PM: Melchior FRANZ wrote: The question is, however, if we don't want to put all airport data into one file, in which case the fourth dir level would be superfluous. Merging the tower and threshold files would be possible, but I would oppose merging them

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1

2008-11-02 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- 11/2/2008 9:24 AM: * Ralf Gerlich -- 11/1/2008 7:35 PM: I'd also like to add that a sample of the structure as proposed has been in the FlightGear data CVS for quite some time, containing data for the KSFO area, ready to be commented. IIRC this was also explicitly

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1

2008-11-02 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Ralf Gerlich -- 11/2/2008 11:04 AM: This was not a take it or leave it proposal, but rather I expected technical arguments. You did not provide any, but instead asked for cosmetical changes. The difference between illogical, messy and inconsistent on the one side, and sane on the other is

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1

2008-11-02 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote: That's neither technical *nor* cosmetical. That's just introducing bad design out of laziness. :-P In this thread and especiallyd in this posting you have, once again, demonstrated to us that you consider it as an appropriate procedure to piss at other people's work

Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-users] World Scenery 1.0.1

2008-11-01 Thread Ralf Gerlich
Hi Melchior, thanks for your feedback. I am taking this to the developers' list. To everyone else, I am referring to this mail on the users' list: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg_name=490C204E.7040405%40aon.at Melchior FRANZ wrote: The question is, however, if we don't want