Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-23 Thread Stefan Seifert
On Saturday 23 February 2013 07:33:54 Renk Thorsten wrote: - I agree with Vivian, we can't do realistic distances for radar because of memory issues Lorenzo: the reason to be of the EQUIPMENT is to override the limit of the EYE vision. Are we doing the error to merging this two ? -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-23 Thread Renk Thorsten
Actually, I think what he tried to suggest was, that the needs of visuals and the needs equipment like radar should not be mixed. For visuals we need the terrain and all the objects like trees and buildings which are hard on performance. It's a fact that the distances out to which we

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 23 Feb 2013 07:13:21 +, Renk wrote in message e495a106ff5f31448739e79d34138c192789b...@mbs2.ad.jyu.fi: ..see? Here you go again, snipping away too agressively, so the pointer to my forgotten point, is lost. Fix that. ;o) ..a point I forgot to make: you (or your MUA?) don't

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-23 Thread Emilian Huminiuc
On Saturday, February 23, 2013 09:36:23 Renk Thorsten wrote: It's a fact that the distances out to which we draw trees and buildings are considerably less than how far we potentially draw terrain (120 km max.) So these things are separated even now - we don't attempt to render random

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-23 Thread Renk Thorsten
Buildings/trees are generated at tile load time currently, and remain resident in memory, for as long as the tile is loaded. If you don't se them on screen doens't mean they're not there. Yes, but strangely enough, this part of the discussion happened to be about LOD systems and

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-23 Thread Renk Thorsten
While I think that sometimes Thorsten may give people more benefit of the doubt... After sleeping over it, I have to admit that Stefan is right. I was angry about the way the discussion was turning away from being productive, and that colored my response to Lorenzo, which is not how

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:10:30 +, Renk wrote in message e495a106ff5f31448739e79d34138c192789b...@mbs2.ad.jyu.fi: ..a pointer to your previous message would help here, this thread is broken (in at least my MUA) and getting hard to follow. Maybe we just have some cultural

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-22 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:26:34 +0100, Arnt wrote in message 20130222172634.0b083...@celsius.lan: On Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:10:30 +, Renk wrote in message e495a106ff5f31448739e79d34138c192789b...@mbs2.ad.jyu.fi: ..a point I forgot to make: you (or your MUA?) don't attribute properly what I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-22 Thread Lorenzo Calabrese
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 02/22/2013 07:10 AM, Renk Thorsten wrote: ..a pointer to your previous message would help here, this thread is broken (in at least my MUA) and getting hard to follow. Maybe we just have some cultural misunderstandings? The way I see it -

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-22 Thread Renk Thorsten
..a point I forgot to make: you (or your MUA?) don't attribute properly what I wrote below, which may be part of the thread breaking problem. Arnt, you do know that 'you' in the English language doesn't necessarily refer to you personally, but that it doubles as an unspecified 'one'? If I

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-22 Thread Renk Thorsten
Straw man ?!?!? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man [See :: structure point 2.5] and you will understand that simplifying my point of view trying to invalidate it is ... a straw man technique. Are you so sure that it is not what you have done concluding rushy that I do not had read the

Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-22 Thread Renk Thorsten
- Assumes that we want to set the limits by equipment (radar) rather than visuals, although we've just said we don't want to do this because of memory issues, and I've listed several points besides radar why I'd like to do it. On re-reading, this sounds pretty hilarious... What I mean

[Flightgear-devel] Discussion culture clashes

2013-02-21 Thread Renk Thorsten
..a pointer to your previous message would help here, this thread is broken (in at least my MUA) and getting hard to follow. Maybe we just have some cultural misunderstandings? The way I see it - if you want to make a statement in a discussion, you have to read what has been said before. No