On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Chris Wilkinson
wrote:
> Do you guys really wanna know how corrupt the character behind FSP is?
>
Snipped
> This guy is laughing in the face of the free software world, sponging off
> the hard work of others. I think its time to wipe the grin from his face. I
> i
Department of NZ, and Fair Go, to investigate this
clown.
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
From: Chris Wilkinson
To: FlightGear developers discussions
Sent: Fri, 12 November, 2010 9:58:49 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBoo
On Fri, 12 Nov 2010 16:21:41 -0800 (PST), Chris wrote in message
<429654.31507...@web56904.mail.re3.yahoo.com>:
> Another avenue I have considered is a New Zealand consumer affairs
> program named "Fair Go". This TV show has an excellent track record
> of exposing scammers, and sticking up for th
On Sat, 13 Nov 2010 09:26:07 +0800, Innis wrote in message
:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Chris
>
> I would let it go mate. While I feel no better about people making
> money off my work I also feel that it is pretty much or own fault.
..you are here giving him a license to carry on. While you are
entitle
with a search "fair go nz" to see how the show operates.
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
From: J. Holden
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sat, 13 November, 2010 2:28:32 AM
Subject:
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
For the love of...
Whate
go nz" to see how the show operates.
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
From: J. Holden
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Sat, 13 November, 2010 2:28:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
For the love of...
?> Also, not sure if this was already mentioned. The person isn't only
> selling FG. He does the same with a lot of other GPLed software.
> Again, Google shows many similar sites - all with the same contact
> address in NZ. And I guess we'd find even more if we looked closer.
> Certainly looks like
From: James Turner - 2010-11-12 13:37
> Just to re-iterate - the best defence is a good offence. Stop worrying about
> FPS, and make FG
> better (by contributing), or promoting it better. It's essentially a
> marketing scam, not a competing
> product. (The current flightgear.org website doesn't
?>> I despair that everyone seems to be saying this guy's operation is fully
>> legal, [...]
>
> This might be your feeling, but does not properly reflect what's been
> written on this very list. If you're approaching legal affairs with
> assumptions _that_ vague and imprecise as the above 'summary
"Mally" wrote:
> I despair that everyone seems to be saying this guy's operation is fully
> legal, [...]
This might be your feeling, but does not properly reflect what's been
written on this very list. If you're approaching legal affairs with
assumptions _that_ vague and imprecise as the above '
John wrote
>
> For the love of...
>
> Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is
> indeed a problem and reflects negatively on the community.
>
> Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do.
>
> Please, please, someone with a copyright intere
t debugging for someone else who had the code
checked out iirc.
- Original Message -
From: "J. Holden"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
>
> For the love of...
>
> Whatever your opinion
Hi John,
"J. Holden" wrote:
> Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is
> indeed a problem and reflects negatively on the community.
>
> Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do.
I don't think we're ignoring the 'issue'. But we probably sh
Hi John,
We have been down this road before. Here is a reply from the FSF:
*From: Donald R Robertson III via RT [mailto:licens...@fsf.org]*
*Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 5:47 PM*
*
*
*Hello,*
*
*
*Thank you for your interest. This link:*
*http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-violation.html
For the love of...
Whatever your opinion on the legality of what they are doing, this is indeed a
problem and reflects negatively on the community.
Ignoring it will not make it go away. We need to know what we can do.
Please, please, someone with a copyright interest in the software please
con
>
> FPS is a nuisance, indeed, but boycotting "The FlightGear Project" just
> as a means to hurt FPS doesn't buy us anything, I'd say. If we really
> aim at doing anything wrt. FPS, then we'd probably better care about
> getting our desolate "PR department" into better shape
>
This is the key
"Mally" wrote:
> Relicensing seems to be a good idea if the present license (or it's
> potential to be misinterpreted) is resulting in unhappiness for the
> contributors, or worse still, affecting the growth and development of FG, as
> seems to be the case currently.
I think the latter stateme
On 12 Nov 2010, at 13:17, Martin Spott wrote:
> FPS is a nuisance, indeed, but boycotting "The FlightGear Project" just
> as a means to hurt FPS doesn't buy us anything, I'd say. If we really
> aim at doing anything wrt. FPS, then we'd probably better care about
> getting our desolate "PR departm
> Failing a positive outcome there I support a re-licensing of the
software, to
> prevent this kind of thing. Simple as that.
Relicensing could kill at one fell swoop the following statement:
"Purchase FlightProSim now and you will always receive 100% FREE Updates /
Upgrades.Imagine playing th
Chris Wilkinson wrote:
> Frankly this guy is a big part of the reason I have yet to commit my scenery
> and
> aircraft to the community. I do NOT want someone making money from my efforts
> without either my consent or without some form of input to the community as a
> condition of being allow
the
content switched to a non-commercial license I would quickly lose interest.
Tim
> Regards,
>
> Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
>
> --
> *From:* Mally
>
> *To:* FlightGear developers discussions <
> flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
he case of FlightProSim, there is probably very little there that
cannot be obtained for free. But that's not a GPL violation, nor is it
illegal; it's the very essence of capitalism :)
Tim
> Mally
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Wilkinson"
ut him the flyer may not have ever left
terra firma...
Regards,
Chris Wilkinson, YBBN/BNE.
From: Chris Wilkinson
To: Mally ; FlightGear developers discussions
Sent: Fri, 12 November, 2010 9:45:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on Face
vember, 2010 8:38:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
?Hi Chris
I have reservations about this. It could easily backfire on you personally
or turn out to be a traumatic event, particularly if it turns out to be more
of a confrontation than a reasonable discussio
;
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2010 5:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
This looks to be more of a moral issue than a legal one.
I'll tell you what I'll do about this. I was born and raised in
Christchurch,
where this guy operates from, and I will be visi
?> There are other grounds we may be able to sue on besides GPL, though,
such as false advertising! Only a lawyer can help us figure out what is
going wrong here. Please look at http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ to see if
anyone there can help us
Absolutely, re the advertising. My main concern ab
den
To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Sent: Fri, 12 November, 2010 2:46:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
Either Curt or someone who has contributed a significant amount of code to the
FlightGear project should look into talking with an open source lawyer.
Either Curt or someone who has contributed a significant amount of code to the
FlightGear project should look into talking with an open source lawyer.
On copyright grounds, we can only sue to enforce the GPL. Basically, we can
only make FPS GPL-compliant, which I do not believe they are, but I d
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:50:03 +0100, Robin wrote in message
<4cdc1ebb.4050...@stoneynet.nl>:
> I am not sure whether the content *generated* by a GPL-licensed
> program (such as FlightGear generating screenshots) would have to be
> licensed under the GPL as well.
..it's the "When I push the b
Csaba Halász a écrit :
> On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Robin van Steenbergen
> wrote:
> > I am not sure whether the content *generated* by a GPL-licensed
> > program (such as FlightGear generating screenshots) would have to
> > be licensed under the GPL as well.
> >
> > To be honest, I doubt
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Robin van Steenbergen
wrote:
> I am not sure whether the content *generated* by a GPL-licensed program
> (such as FlightGear generating screenshots) would have to be licensed under
> the GPL as well.
>
> To be honest, I doubt it, because a lot of GPL-licensed tools
I am not sure whether the content *generated* by a GPL-licensed
program (such as FlightGear generating screenshots) would have to be
licensed under the GPL as well.
To be honest, I doubt it, because a lot of GPL-licensed tools are used
to generate copyrighted content, even including Hollywood
Hi all!
> XIII wrote:
>
> And why do they use an A-6E screenshot I have made me-my-own-self ?
> Nah, I just sent to Facebook an inquiry for copyright infringement :-)
Content on the FlightGear wiki also falls under the GNU GPL license (as stated
at the bottom of this
page), so does this A-6E im
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 16:25:14 +0100, Citronnier wrote in message
<4cdc0ada.6020...@gmail.com>:
> Ron Jensen a écrit :
> > On Thursday 11 November 2010 03:36:02 Mally wrote:
> > > ?Arnt
> > >
> > >> ..url to your facebook page? Would be the useful one url I
> > >> meant. ;o)
> > > Effectively, on
Ron Jensen a écrit :
> On Thursday 11 November 2010 03:36:02 Mally wrote:
> > ?Arnt
> >
> >> ..url to your facebook page? Would be the useful one url I
> >> meant. ;o)
> > Effectively, once I'm logged in, the URL to my personal facebook
> > page is still just http://www.facebook.com/ . Unless you
thing ...
> -Original Message-
> From: Ron Jensen [mailto:w...@jentronics.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:55 AM
> To: Mally; FlightGear developers discussions
> Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
>
> On Thursday 11 November 2010 03:36
On Thursday 11 November 2010 03:36:02 Mally wrote:
> ?Arnt
>
> > ..url to your facebook page? Would be the useful
> > one url I meant. ;o)
>
> Effectively, once I'm logged in, the URL to my personal facebook page is
> still just http://www.facebook.com/ . Unless you're logged in as me, you're
> no
?Arnt
> ..url to your facebook page? Would be the useful
> one url I meant. ;o)
Effectively, once I'm logged in, the URL to my personal facebook page is
still just http://www.facebook.com/ . Unless you're logged in as me, you're
not going to see what I see on the page anyway, and there's no wa
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 19:59:12 -0600, Gene wrote in message
:
> They are not claiming a copyright - they are claiming that "FPS is
> copyrighted and protected under the United States and other World Wide
> Copyright Laws"
>
> Which is an absolutely *true* statement.
..it _depends_, they are in f
On Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:20:37 -, Mally wrote in message
:
> ?> My question is, _do_ they offer the source as required under
> > the GPL?
>
> Yes, they offer the full source code. Does this offer meet the full
> requirements
..yes, this far, no with GPLv3.
> of how it is to be delivered?
"
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:15 PM, Mally wrote:
> >??>> > However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD,
> >>>
> >>> ..how? That may be another violation of the GPL.
> >>
> >> This is specifically allowed by the GPL which allows for charging for
> >> media,
> >> reproduction
?> My question is, _do_ they offer the source as required under
> the GPL?
Yes, they offer the full source code. Does this offer meet the full
requirements of how it is to be delivered? I've no idea, but I do recall
seeing a particular clause which I thought may not have been met. I don't
have
??>> > However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD,
>>
>> ..how? That may be another violation of the GPL.
>
> This is specifically allowed by the GPL which allows for charging for
> media,
> reproduction and distribution costs.
"This amazing software package is Yours Risk Fr
On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 11:32:08 -0800, Hal wrote in message
<201011101132.09107.hven...@gmail.com>:
> On Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:23:22 am Arnt Karlsen wrote:
> > > However, they are offering some added value by selling FG on DVD,
> >
> > ..how? That may be another violation of the GPL.
>
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 23:46:20 -, Vivian wrote in message
<3c9574cdcbb34cc5b329545212bec...@main>:
> Mally wrote
>
> >
> > ?Arnt
> >
> > I think I have maybe one or two lines of code in FG... I helped fix
> > a bug many moons ago. But I like to keep my interest in case
> > there's anything I
Mally wrote
>
> ?Arnt
>
> I think I have maybe one or two lines of code in FG... I helped fix a bug
> many moons ago. But I like to keep my interest in case there's anything I
> can offer in the future. Anyway, it's not really about that, and maybe in
> fact I should not concern myself with this
o:
Cc: "Mally"
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FlightProSim advert on FaceBook
>
> On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:33:45 -, Mally wrote in message
> <659018fab24b48ae85bc8d943d15e...@chuchote>:
>
>> ?I've just had an adve
On Tue, 9 Nov 2010 15:33:45 -, Mally wrote in message
<659018fab24b48ae85bc8d943d15e...@chuchote>:
> ?I've just had an advert for FlightSimPro prominently displayed on my
> FaceBook home page:
..url?
> QUOTE
>
> New Flight Simulator
> flightprosim.com
> Learning how to work the new flight
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