Re: 0.9.10 Scenery Quirks (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion: next FlightGear release.)

2006-01-29 Thread Erik Hofman


Hi David,

Welcome back!

David Megginson wrote:

I've been using the new scenery, and have noticed some quirks -- for
example, the Tower Bridge in London is oriented east-west instead of
north-south, and Manhattan is populated by giant electrical towers. 
Are these just quirks in the input databases, or might they point to

problems hiding in the FlightGear/SimGear code (today's CVS)?


It's probably a database problem, and maybe not so much a problem of 
assigning the wrong type but rather lack of a proper model:

http://fgfsdb.stockill.org/



FlightGear's looking great, by the way -- congrats to everyone who's
been working on it.


I agree, but every time I say so not long thereafter a developer bashing 
inferno starts so I'll keep it quite this time.


Erik


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot on default Cessna

2006-01-29 Thread Roy Vegard Ovesen
On Saturday 28 January 2006 16:52, Curtis L. Olson wrote:
 For what it's worth, it would be great if someone could figure it all
 out and write a up a little mini-howto so the rest of us don't have to
 wade through 100 page manual.

There is a very short quick guide on the wiki page:

http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/bendixking_kap140_autopilot.cfm?wpid=226748

There is also a link to the pilot guide on that page. The sections from the 
pilot guide that you want to concentrate on are the System Operating Modes 
at pages 12, 59 and 86.

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[Flightgear-devel] Request for comments: Airway database

2006-01-29 Thread Durk Talsma
Hi Folks,

I just finished some initial experiments in loading the Robin Peel airway 
database for flightgear. The code is based on the ground network code that I 
wrote for AI taxiway following. While I have stuff working right now, one 
major problem is becoming apparent: It takes approximately 6 to 7 minutes to 
load and initialize the entire airway database on my machine (yikes).

The major reason for this is that each route segment in Robin Peel's database 
is defined by the full coordinates of each start and end waypoint. The airway 
and ground networks operate by storing the waypoints and the routes 
separately. Therefore, for each Airway segment, I need to look up whether the 
defining waypoints have already been loaded, which is quite computationally 
intensive.  My ground network code, on the other hand, reads data in which 
the waypoints and the route segments are stored separately to begin with, 
which makes it much faster to load. 

Right now, I can see a number of ways to proceed with this. My major objective 
is to use the airway database to create more realistic AI traffic behavior, 
but for just that purpose, I don't actually need to load the airway database 
into flightgear. I could also choose to pregenerate all the AI flightplans 
offline and let FlightGear read those on demand. 

I'm wondering though if there would be any future need for airway information 
inside FlightGear itself, for example in modeling GPS receivers or flight 
management computers. If so, it would still be worthwhile to convert the data 
into a native format that could much more rapidly be loaded into flightgear.

Cheers,
Durk


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Re: 0.9.10 Scenery Quirks (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion: next FlightGear release.)

2006-01-29 Thread Jon Stockill

David Megginson wrote:

On 28/01/06, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Now that the v0.9.10 scenery is done.  I would like to start thinking
about the next FlightGear release which will be called v0.9.10 to match
the scenery.



I've been using the new scenery, and have noticed some quirks -- for
example, the Tower Bridge in London is oriented east-west instead of


Fixed - it'll be exported at midnight GMT.

north-south, and Manhattan is populated by giant electrical towers. 
Are these just quirks in the input databases, or might they point to


That could be either incorrect entries in the FAA database, or we've 
misinterpreted that should be there - it's not a code issue.


Jon


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[Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear question

2006-01-29 Thread Chris Millichamp








Hi



Ive just discovered FlightGear and would like to
compile the source code myself. 

Ive downloaded all the appropriate packages and
downloaded and installed Cygwin

as outlined in the flightgear getting started document.



Im trying to install SimGear, the ZLIB library as per
the instructions (page 94 of the flightgear getting

started pdf) but when it comes to typing
./configure an error occurs saying there is no such

command.



Im using Windows XP and opening a command prompt on
the zlib folder which has been decompressed

with WinRAR. Am I doing this correctly using a dos box?



Ive looked up DOS commands on the internet and the
commands Im supposed to type are nowhere to be seen.

I have some basic C++ programming knowledge using Visual C++
but have no experience of makefiles etc.



Regards,



Chris










Re: [Flightgear-devel] Compiling FlightGear question

2006-01-29 Thread Durk Talsma
On Sunday 29 January 2006 21:12, Chris Millichamp wrote:
 I'm trying to install SimGear, the ZLIB library as per the instructions
 (page 94 of the flightgear getting

 started pdf) but when it comes to typing ./configure an error occurs
 saying there is no such

 command.



 I'm using Windows XP and opening a command prompt on the zlib folder which
 has been decompressed

 with WinRAR. Am I doing this correctly using a dos box?



You need to run all the commands from the cygwin command shell; not from a dos 
box.

HTH,
Durk


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] OT: Saturday night movie review

2006-01-29 Thread GWMobile
Interesting to hear that about you Curtis! And now I will see that 
movie!


I wonder how many others of us got interested in flying and flight 
simulation because of a lot of moving around ( probably by flying) in 
our youth? Probably pretty much why I got into it now that I think about 
it.


You know its been a long time since I have posted here (the first months 
actually on compuserve probably discussing feature sets and programming 
methodolgy!) but I have to say even though I always promoted the idea of 
a volunteer cooperatively written flight sim so heavily in all the 
flight sim magazines I was starting in the USA I none the less have been 
very impressed with flightgears development over the past year 
especially.


Kudos to the coders! You rock!
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] NAVAIDS ???

2006-01-29 Thread Jon Stockill

Mathias Fröhlich wrote:

Jon,

On Tuesday 24 January 2006 22:45, Jon Stockill wrote:


I've just discovered that when using the null fdm I'm not getting
updates to /position/ground-elev-m any more. So I can't actually
retrieve the terrain elevation. Is there somewhere else in the property
tree I could read this from?


The attached patch should fix your problem.


Yup - that's great - the values are updating now.

Jon


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Re: 0.9.10 Scenery Quirks (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion: next FlightGear release.)

2006-01-29 Thread David Megginson
On 29/01/06, Jon Stockill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That could be either incorrect entries in the FAA database, or we've
 misinterpreted that should be there - it's not a code issue.

In Canada, all obstacles appear as radio towers.  I'm guessing that
there isn't enough information in the database to tell whether an
obstacle is a tower or a building.  Still, it's good to have them
there at all.  I'm very impressed with your database, Jon (and sent
you a CN tower for Toronto by private e-mail earlier today).


All the best,


David

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Re: 0.9.10 Scenery Quirks (was Re: [Flightgear-devel] Discussion: next FlightGear release.)

2006-01-29 Thread Josh Babcock
Jon Stockill wrote:
 David Megginson wrote:
 
 On 28/01/06, Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Now that the v0.9.10 scenery is done.  I would like to start thinking
 about the next FlightGear release which will be called v0.9.10 to match
 the scenery.



 I've been using the new scenery, and have noticed some quirks -- for
 example, the Tower Bridge in London is oriented east-west instead of
 
 
 Fixed - it'll be exported at midnight GMT.
 
 north-south, and Manhattan is populated by giant electrical towers.
 Are these just quirks in the input databases, or might they point to
 
 
 That could be either incorrect entries in the FAA database, or we've
 misinterpreted that should be there - it's not a code issue.
 
 Jon
 
 
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For the most part in the DC area the scenery distinguishes correctly
between stacks, radio towers and buildings. There are however a few lone
electrical towers where there should be stacks.

Josh


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] New JSBSim code

2006-01-29 Thread Richard Harrison

 I do not demand an answer, but if someone has a document or something

I've just made a page and put the four parts of the two documents from 
the freely available NASA/Boeing 747 report there. It's at 
http://www.zaretto.com/simdownloads.html


It is very similar to the documents that you still get from boeing 
today, in that 95% of the data and equations are the same


--Richard



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