Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
Hi Don't know if it'll be of any further use to you but my contribution to an aircraft I *love* http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/f-14.htm found it while looking for resources on; Bell UH-1 series Iroquois, better known as the Huey Cheers :-D ene From: flying.toaster [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone? Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 07:29:52 +0200 (CEST) De : Lee Elliott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Looks like an F-14 :) Now *those* are good news :o) I've got to say that imo this is quite an ambitious project but it looks pretty good so far. From the 3D model perspective it is not more daunting than the Hornet (try to find a single straight line on the bug). One reason why I am modelling the B (or A+ as you like it) is that from the pilot crew station it is not that different from an A. The advantage is that you do have a lot of electromechanical instruments instead of MFDs which are often poorly documented and awfuly complex. The bad news is that the F-14A was (to my knowledge) the first aircraft in US inventory to feature a PFD and ND-like set of displays even though with a limited number of modes. Since there is no weapon system model to be introduced on flight gear there is no need to implement the RIO station (even though that could turn into a high speed trip over the network for the would-be RIO. Things maybe different if the model is ported to CSP but let's not chew more than we can swallow. What are you planning to do with the jet-pipe nozzles? It looks as though you have shown different nozzle area settings in the two pics. Good sight indeed. Actually I have already made the animation for the petals or turkey feathers (inner and outer) for the nozzle. I will definitely need the help from somebody who has ported from blender to FG in order to know how to define and export animations because there are quite a few of them in this beast. In many respects the F-14 design is very similar to that of the SU-27 family of aircraft. True enough, for instance landing gear design (downlocks are located on the engine nacelle), poded engines, twin tails, blah, blah. But then the Su-27 is much more refined in its aerodynamic layout (and quite tempting to model with its completely outdated flight avionics suite), even though reports seem to indicate that the tomcat *had* (sigh) quite amazing high alpha behaviour. To answer Mathias Fröhlich kind offer, I have a few docs myself (mainly Aerofax volume on the Tomcat), and I am using Airliners.net quite intensely. Photos are as important as good drawings when you want to go into detail. If I get stuck somewhere, I will surely get back to you. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel _ Become a fitness fanatic @ http://xtramsn.co.nz/health --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] thumbnail.jpg for ogel aircraft
Selon Torsten Dreyer : Hi, I made a thumbnail image for the aircraft download page for my ogel aircraft. It is here: http://www.t3r.de/fg/ogel/thumbnail.jpg Anybody out there who commits this to cvs? It is committed. Now Curt have to regenerate the download page. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear source
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2006-05-02_01:19:02 (curt) /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/source/src/AIModel/AIThermal.cxx Dave Culp: I've got some updates for the soaring scenario that will make for a more realistic (and fun) experience. They are: 1) A cap cloud, which will sit atop each thermal 2) A thermal scenario with wide coverage around KSFO, and using cap clouds 3) A one-line change to AIThermal.cxx to position cap cloud properly 4) Schweizer 2-33 set file change to match cloud coverage with thermal heights. files: 1) data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.ac 2) data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.xml 3) data/Models/Geometry/thermal_cap.rgb 4) data/AI/thermal_demo.xml 5) data/Aircraft/sgs233/sgs233-set.xml 6) source/src/AIModel/AIThermal.cxx *** or, if you prefer diffs *** 7) aimodel.diff 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: SimGear
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 2006-05-04_05:58:59 (fredb) /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/screen/RenderTexture.h Mac fix 2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: FGLive 0.1 LinuxTag edition
On Sat, 6 May 2006 22:19:42 +1000, Pigeon wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I just noticed there's a small issue, for German locale, IceWM - Start - Terminal, it doesn't work, but the normal xterm from Start - Programs works. Knoppix/Morphix somehow sets locale to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and uxterm (unicode xterm) wants de_DE.UTF8. I've fixed this already in my local copy. ..in the /KNOPPIX/etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig style script too? (I just started my DL off Martins ftp site, thanks all. :o) ) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] new waypoint dialog
From: Melchior FRANZ FYI: these fgcommands have been removed: AddWayPoint PopWayPoint ClearRoute old-ap-add-waypoint-dialog old-ap-pop-waypoint-dialog old-ap-clear-route-dialog Why? Does the old code have to be removed? Best, Jim -- Jim Wilson Kelco Industries PO Box 160 Milbridge, ME 04658 207-546-7989 --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] new waypoint dialog
* Jim Wilson -- Tuesday 09 May 2006 15:15: From: Melchior FRANZ FYI: these fgcommands have been removed: [...] Why? Does the old code have to be removed? old-ap-add-waypoint-dialog old-ap-pop-waypoint-dialog old-ap-clear-route-dialog These commands were marked deprecated since 18-Jan-03. src/GUI/menubar.cxx says about them: | Deprecated wrappers for old menu commands. [...] | DO NOT ADD TO THESE. THEY WILL BE DELETED SOON! [...] | These are defined in gui_funcs.cxx. They should be replaced with | user-configured dialogs and new commands where necessary. And that's what happened, except that it didn't happen soon, but a *long* time after that remarks were added, and that there is no replacement. These three commands referred to dead code that has been removed. It was dead ever since I joined the fgfs project (2001/3/31). I can't remember ever having seen these hard-coded dialogs. If someone thinks they should be resurrected, then he better has a damn well explanation. But I guess you were only referring to these: AddWayPoint PopWayPoint ClearRoute They didn't have to be removed. But the functions they were referring to are replaced by a new mechanism. Actually, the whole file where they were defined has been removed. The question can only be why the commands weren't rewritten. The reasons are: - they aren't required any more; the new method can fully replace them - the route manager has now some more capabilities and these three commands would only address a subset. They could get extended, but then the old names wouldn't be appropriate. In any case, they would be redundant. - no part in fgfs used them (admittely, foreign code could do so) - all fgcommands in the GUI/ directory are candidates for removal; only Main/fg_commands.cxx should define commands, as well as optional subsystems (IMHO) But these points wouldn't explain why the old commands would have had to go. I made clear at several occasions (twice in the thread, once in the cvs log) that I would be willing to add the three commands (not the depreciated ones) again if people think they should remain available. If there are good reasons, that is. You didn't bother to mention a single one. Nostalgia doesn't count. FlightGear shouldn't become a museum -- a collection of dead code. That's what the Attic/ is for. Now my question is: Does the old code have to be kept? I'm not pissed if I'm asked to add new commands again. But it shouldn't be a waste of time if possible. :-) m. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] new waypoint dialog
* Melchior FRANZ -- Tuesday 09 May 2006 16:39: Was it common practice to use the commands via telnet? No. AddWayPoint wouldn't even work, because props.cxx has no idea how to handle the target argument. No problem with the new code, *of course*. One more point ... :-} m. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] new waypoint dialog
From: Melchior FRANZ But these points wouldn't explain why the old commands would have had to go. I made clear at several occasions (twice in the thread, once in the cvs log) that I would be willing to add the three commands (not the depreciated ones) again if people think they should remain available. If there are good reasons, that is. You didn't bother to mention a single one. Nostalgia doesn't count. FlightGear shouldn't become a museum -- a collection of dead code. That's what the Attic/ is for. Now my question is: Does the old code have to be kept? I'm not pissed if I'm asked to add new commands again. But it shouldn't be a waste of time if possible. It is time consuming and maybe not necessary (ie waste of time), but maybe someone cares even if they are not reading the discussion. The second most neglected item (after documentation) in the OSS world is backwards compatibility. Please understand that by mentioning this I do not wish to imply that you are doing anything wrong or different than anyone else. Thanks for the reply! Best, Jim -- Jim Wilson Kelco Industries PO Box 160 Milbridge, ME 04658 207-546-7989 --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flaps
On Monday 08 May 2006 15:22, Justin Smithies wrote: snip How do i get around that without changing the controls.nas script as other aircraft might need the 3 equal steps . I just want mine to have 7 steps we ll in fact if i may go a little further could i have the following positions ? snip Try copying the relevant keybindings from keyboard.xml into your aircraft-set.xml, and use the nasal/nasal tags to invoke a modified copy of controls.nas. Ampere --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: flaps
* Justin Smithies -- Monday 08 May 2006 21:22: On my aircraft model i need the flaps to step through 7 positions. But i noticed that the nasal script controls.nas is hard coded to 3 equal positions only. Not true. That's only the fallback mechanism. How do i get around that without changing the controls.nas script as other aircraft might need the 3 equal steps . sim flaps setting0/setting setting1/setting setting5/setting setting15/setting setting20/setting setting25/setting setting30/setting /flaps /sim Maybe you need to normalize that to a range of 0-1. Also see $FG_ROOT/Aircraft/A320/A320-set.xml, which aircraft seems to be the only one using this method. m. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] new waypoint dialog
From: Melchior FRANZ Was it common practice to use the commands via telnet? (which can, of course, still be done, but it's a little more verbose: set /autopilot/route-manager/input [EMAIL PROTECTED] etc. See other mails in the thread.) Hmmm...it doesn't seem like it is common practice to do that. Maybe some folks are. Of course it is possible to leave old code ifdef'd out for a time so that it can still be built back in using a compiler flag (not sure what would be involved in this case). In any case it sounds like making those commands work with the new code is not a good idea. Best, Jim -- Jim Wilson Kelco Industries PO Box 160 Milbridge, ME 04658 207-546-7989 --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] new waypoint dialog
* Jim Wilson -- Tuesday 09 May 2006 17:01: The second most neglected item (after documentation) in the OSS world is backwards compatibility. The first item is true, although access to the source code makes it much less painful than badly documented closed source software. And bad documentation is the rule there, too. ;-) And the second item is also one of the strengths of OSS. It doesn't have to carry old code forever. We don't owe anybody anything, people can read and modify the code, and developers listen to customers, (which commercial entities usually don't, despite claiming so. Any support beyond trivialities has to be paid for.) Please understand that by mentioning this I do not wish to imply that you are doing anything wrong or different than anyone else. No problem. I asked for comments. And a discussion about pros and cons can be very helpful. You have a point, and maybe I'll re-add the thingies. I would just like to know if it's worth it. Someone *might* want to use it is a valid argument, but I hope for actual people to speak up who really want it/need it. :-) m. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] thumbnail.jpg for ogel aircraft
Frederic Bouvier wrote: Selon Torsten Dreyer : Hi, I made a thumbnail image for the aircraft download page for my ogel aircraft. It is here: http://www.t3r.de/fg/ogel/thumbnail.jpg Anybody out there who commits this to cvs? It is committed. Now Curt have to regenerate the download page. I'll try and get this done today Curt. -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear/FlightGearSDL-0.9.10-0.FC.i386.rpm failing on FC5
Some time back, andy wrote: Hi I posted earlier today a msg on the user list about issues with running fgfs on FC5 (c enclosed copy) . After a little more research I found the development list thread about FC5 and the freeglut 2.4. So I tried the following rpm flightgear/FlightGearSDL-0.9.10-0.FC.i386.rpm ftp://tallyho.bc.nu/pub/steve/flightgear/FlightGearSDL-0.9.10-0.FC.i386.rpm This FlightGearSDL RPM *still* hasn't managed to get on the mirrors. If there's no worry about it working (apparently it does) could someone copy the above link off my rather slow machine onto the mirrors for everyone's benefit please? Thanks in advance. Steve. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Colditz Glider woes
I've just been reworking the FDM of my Colditz Escape Glider to get it to work with 0.9.10 and the new JSBSim .xml format. So far so good, but 1) How do I get the 'autopilot' menu item to grey out and go away please? I've tried studying the c172p and conclude that it does it by specifying its own autopilot which automagically greys out the default one. I don't want one at all. How to do that please? 2) If I dive the colditz glider vertically down it manages to hold this vertical flight until it hits the ground. Two problems ... 2a) I reckon it ought to try and pull out of the dive as the lift over the wings increases. I assume that the JSBsim applies a torque due to wing lift about the claimed CG of the 'plane, and if so then I need to have my CG behind the wing root somewhere. Presumably I've not got it far enough behind. Does this sound like a likely cause of excessively easy vertical dive? Needless to say, without a real Colditz Glider to measure, I'm having to estimate the position of CG. 2b) The Colditz Glider in vertical dive mode (see above) manages to achieve about mach 6 (:-)). I tried fiddling with drag due to mach in the .xml file to try and limit the terminal velocity, but it doesn't seem to do much. A human being in freefall manages about 120mph (190km/h) apparently, and I'm not sure I'd expect a crude wood and fabric airplane to do much more than that. What's the right way to model drag due to velocity? Thanks in advance for any clues. Steve --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: [RFC] new waypoint dialog
* Norman Vine -- Tuesday 09 May 2006 17:37: (this is not aimed at anyone) [...] one shouldn't forget that someone else wrote that code most likely for the same reason one wants to change it. i.e it fit their 'vision' :-) Sure. That's why you need to stay around and defend your code, or it goes down the drain. ;-) Most of the time, though, visions just grow old and can't be kept alive, no matter how hard you try. A lot of code in fgfs was written before the new gui, nasal, subsystems, properties(!) etc. were added. Nobody can expect that the underlying visions survive that. In other cases, visions were never documented and aren't maintained. They die through the carelessness of their creator. I for one unually ask for comments if I want to make some major changes. And usually I don't get much feedback. :-P m. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] flightgear/FlightGearSDL-0.9.10-0.FC.i386.rpm failing on FC5
Curtis L. Olson wrote: It should start propogating now. Sorry for the delay. I've had zero spare time to devote to FG in the last couple weeks due to my job situation. Hopefully this will begin to return to normal by the end of May. Curt. Thanks, Curt. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Re: Colditz Glider woes
* Steve Hosgood -- Tuesday 09 May 2006 17:46:
1) How do I get the 'autopilot' menu item to grey out and go away
please? I've tried studying the c172p and conclude that it does it by
specifying its own autopilot which automagically greys out the default
one. I don't want one at all. How to do that please?
This is decided in $FG_ROOT/Nasal/gui.nas:
menuEnable(autopilot, props.globals.getNode(/autopilot/KAP140/locks) ==
nil);
The AP entry is currently only disabled when the KAP140 is active. You can
disable it from the *-set.xml file or a *.nas file:
nasal
colditz
scriptsettimer(func { gui.menuEnable(autopilot, 0) }, 2)/script
/colditz
/nasal
Needs to be delayed a bit, because gui.INIT is delayed, too, because it
accesses functions of props.nas, and Nasal has no other way to ensure
availability of dependencies.
m.
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Colditz Glider woes
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 10:46 am, Steve Hosgood wrote: I've just been reworking the FDM of my Colditz Escape Glider to get it to work with 0.9.10 and the new JSBSim .xml format. 2) If I dive the colditz glider vertically down it manages to hold this vertical flight until it hits the ground. Two problems ... 2a) I reckon it ought to try and pull out of the dive as the lift over the wings increases. I assume that the JSBsim applies a torque due to 2b) The Colditz Glider in vertical dive mode (see above) manages to achieve about mach 6 (:-)). I tried fiddling with drag due to mach in Without the config to look at there isn't much I can do. I did take the sgs233 up and tried to get it to fly straight down. It behaves as expected. Check out the sgs233 config. Dave --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] 737 Autopilot Enhancements Developement Interest
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 03:24, Simon Trusler wrote: Hi All, snip I was unsure whether I could actually make a difference but it appears that I have been able to add functionality to the 737 autopilot that was documented as needing to be done. Great! That's one of the areas that needed some serious attention on the 737. I tried to do a flight from KSFO to KLAX last week to test an RDMI instrument and the climb profile to FL330 was rather interesting to put it mildly. For your info there are two 737-300's for FlightGear. The one in FlightGear is a more or less static 2D panel version and there is another one with a 3D cockpit being developed outside of the FG CVS system. The idea is that the 3D cockpit version might replace the 2D version once it's in a usable state which will be many months at the rate we're going but that's quite normal in the FG world. Justin Smithies has kindly provided us with a CVS server in case you want to check it out (excuse the pun). :) cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs login Password is guest cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvs co 737-300 What I’ve done is: snip What I’d like to ask now is: 1.How I can contribute on a more formal basis. 2.Who do I need to talk to about these changes? FlightGear development is a rather informal process. If you have a good idea you can ask for feedback on the devel mailing list and then implement it and submit it to someone with CVS write priviledges for inclusion into the base. This is most often done through e-mail in the form of diff patches. Some people with CVS write priviledge (in rough descending order of response times ) Melchior Franz Vivian Meazza Erik Hofman Curtis L. Olson David Luff David Megginson Melchior hangs around on the IRC channel a lot and will be really quick to tell you if your patch sucks which I appreciate. 4.Is there any other information I can read on how everything works? My Software Engineering background has allowed me to understand enough to make a some alterations but some of the config values (Kp, beta, alpha etc.) I do not understand enough of what they mean. There are docs in the SimGear source directory, FlightGear data directory, JSBSim web site, on web sites, etc. One has to hunt around a bit sometimes to find what you're looking for. In most cases a look and see how someone else did it is the quickest route. 5.Do I need to have a Unix based machine to do development or can everything be achieved on a Windows Xp based machine? You can do everything on Windows XP if you like although the compilation of the source code can be a trick to get set up right. Cygwin seems to be the best option under Windows at the moment. Paul --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Backwards compatibility issues (was Re: [RFC] new waypoint dialog)
-Original Message- From: Melchior FRANZ * Norman Vine -- Tuesday 09 May 2006 17:37: (this is not aimed at anyone) [...] one shouldn't forget that someone else wrote that code most likely for the same reason one wants to change it. i.e it fit their 'vision' Sure. That's why you need to stay around and defend your code, or it goes down the drain.Most of the time, though, visions just grow old and can't be kept alive, no matter how hard you try. A lot of code in fgfs was written before the new gui, nasal, subsystems, properties(!) etc. were added. Nobody can expect that the underlying visions survive that. In other cases, visions were never documented and aren't maintained. They die through the carelessness of their creator. I for one unually ask for comments if I want to make some major changes. And usually I don't get much feedback. That is a pretty good description of how it works. It seems like FlightGear is well on its way to becoming one of the important open source projects (it already is for most of us). Maybe that comes with a different set of responsiblities. As a framework project shouldn't we be maintaining backwards compatibility by default? If there is code we need to remove, perhaps it is the base package version check! It seems to have become a bit of a crutch. Would it not make sense to always keep things working as they were and pick major release intervals every 2 or 3 years to dump a bunch old stuff at once? Best, Jim Wilson -- Jim Wilson Kelco Industries PO Box 160 Milbridge, ME 04658 207-546-7989 --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] F-14 anyone?
On Tuesday 09 May 2006 06:29, flying.toaster wrote: [snip...] In many respects the F-14 design is very similar to that of the SU-27 family of aircraft. True enough, for instance landing gear design (downlocks are located on the engine nacelle), poded engines, twin tails, blah, blah. But then the Su-27 is much more refined in its aerodynamic layout (and quite tempting to model with its completely outdated flight avionics suite), even though reports seem to indicate that the tomcat *had* (sigh) quite amazing high alpha behaviour. I'm not too surprised about it's high AoA behaviour. The way in which I find it similar to the SU-27 family is that they both use a long chord central lifting body, in to the front of which is inserted a relatively small fuselage nacelle. There's no conventional full-length fuselage, just lots of wing :) The YF-23 is also quite similar in this respect too, but doesn't have the 'tunnel' formed by the widely separated engines. To answer Mathias Fröhlich kind offer, I have a few docs myself (mainly Aerofax volume on the Tomcat), and I am using Airliners.net quite intensely. Photos are as important as good drawings when you want to go into detail. If I get stuck somewhere, I will surely get back to you. I have a large format book on the F-14 detailing the development, design, weapons systems, deployment and service but it's quite old now and doesn't really cover the later models. There's a cut-away drawing but I don't remember off hand how detailed it was. Quite a few side-view colour-scheme drawings and photos. Got a DVD on the F-14 too but it isn't that helpful. Some nice footage though. LeeE --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Guess what plane this is!
http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-010.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-007.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-011.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-005.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-012.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-008.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-013.png Ampere --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Guess what plane this is!
Two new screenshots: http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/A300-night1.jpg http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/A300-night2.jpg Special thanks to Julien for making these two shots possible. Ampere --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Guess what plane this is!
On Mon, 8 May 2006 18:53:03 -0400, Ampere wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-010.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-007.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-011.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-005.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-012.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-008.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-013.png ..oh, that must be that new Airbus C-5 'n An-225 class heavyweighter. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Guess what plane this is!
Looks like an Airbus A300B (missing winglets and ailerons), but then I miss some details to be affirmative (I seem to remember there are boundary layer fences somewhere on the leading edge and engines slung under those pylons ;o) ). Hope I can finish my A340-500 anytime soon to join ;o) Great job ! Message du 10/05/06 à 03h14 De : Arnt Karlsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Copie à : flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Objet : Re: [Flightgear-devel] Guess what plane this is! On Mon, 8 May 2006 18:53:03 -0400, Ampere wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-010.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-007.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-011.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-005.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-012.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-008.png http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-013.png ..oh, that must be that new Airbus C-5 'n An-225 class heavyweighter. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt... ;o) ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry... Scenarios always come in sets of three: best case, worst case, and just in case. --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid0709bid3057dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
