[Flightgear-devel] Nasa Error

2008-08-22 Thread Bohnert Paul
Hi,

Run FlightGear Multiplayer I noticed the following error;

Chat [*FGMS*] Buckaro is now online, using 
Chat [*FGMS*] Aircraft/Lockheed1049/Models/Lockheed1049_twa.xml
Nasal runtime error: floating point error in math.sin()
  at /usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Nasal/geo.nas, line 169
  called from: /usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Nasal/multiplayer.nas, line 298
  called from: /usr/local/share/FlightGear/data/Nasal/multiplayer.nas, line 323
Chat [*FGMS*] sergiom is now online, using 
Chat [*FGMS*] Aircraft/787/Models/787CO.xml


Not sure is it's a problem or not.

I'm running cvs from August 15th.

Best Regards,
Paul B.



  

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] how to persuade people not to contribute

2008-08-22 Thread Tim Moore
John Denker wrote:
> On 08/22/2008 03:47 AM, Tim Moore wrote:
>> John Denker wrote:

>>> As of 08/18/2008 04:45 PM, I had done exactly what I was asked to do.
>> I suppose I wasn't specific enough. I meant that would be helpful for the 
>> branches in your Sport Model repository to be rebased onto or merged with 
>> Pigeon's "official" ones. Unless I'm pointing at the wrong repos, I haven't 
>> seen 
>> any change there.
>>
 These patches are relative to the latest and greatest source from Pigeon's 
 git
 archive, current as of a few minutes ago.
>>> Was it in fact helpful?
>> Of course, there's certainly more to talk about when a patch is based on the 
>> current code. I'm sorry I haven't joined in (or really processed) the recent 
>> discussion of textranslate; I've had my head down in other stuff.
> 
> Allow me to be more specific:
> 
> I gave you the opportunity to persuade me that re-basing the patches
> would be helpful ... that it would be something other than a completely
> futile waste of my time.
I can't imagine why rebasing the Sport Model patches would be a futile waste of 
time. What do you expect people to do with the Sport Model patches? Run a 
year-old version of FlightGear? Try to integrate patches based on out-of-date 
sources into their own trees?
> 
> You chose the example of textranslate step and scroll.  It probably
> wouldn't have been my first choice, but it is the example on the table,
> and will serve the purpose.  Think of it as a test-flight.
Indeed. I chose this patch because it is the earliest one in your Sport Model 
sg 
repository. I don't have a great stake in how texture animation of instruments 
works but yeah, it would be nice if it was correct. And it looks like there's 
some good stuff in the whole of your patches, so it would be nice to start 
merging it in. I'm not going to look at anything unless it's based off the 
current sources, so I started rebasing your sg tree myself. This textranslate 
patch, the very first one, has a serious merge conflict. I could plow through 
all your patches and try to finish a local rebase of your stuff, but there are 
very likely more merge conflicts lurking there, and as the patch author you are 
in a much better position than I to resolve these conflicts.
> 
> If you ask me to re-base this patch and then don't even look at it, I
> am *not* persuaded to re-base any of the other patches.
I have in fact looked it, in both it's new and old versions, and had 
discussions 
about it on IRC with at least one of your interlocutors from the discussion 
last 
year. I meant by my comment about lack of time that I didn't have an opinion 
yet 
and hadn't contributed to the new email discussion. That being said, I do not 
do 
your or anyone else's bidding in terms of committing patches in any particular 
time frame. I'm not sure if/when I'd commit your textranslate patch, or if 
others would be committed first, and what the final form would be.

> 
> There is a multi-year track record of patches not being looked at, and
> other bad behavior.  If anybody wants to persuade me that things are
> better now, I'm waiting to be persuaded.  The ball's in your court.
No. Your patches should have more value to you merged into the mainline than 
apart; if not, then one really has to question what value they have at all. The 
fact that you've put them in a git repository should make them easy to evaluate 
on their technical merits and integrate without politics. If they are in a form 
suitable for easy review and merging -- that is, based on current sources -- 
then I can look at them, merge those that are obviously right, and persuade 
others who know the subject area better than me to give them another look.
I'm sorry if you are mad at the reception your patches received in the past, 
but 
I'm not inclined to play open-source therapist.

Tim

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] GIT

2008-08-22 Thread Martin Spott
James Turner wrote:

> Yep, absolutely, especially since I am very unsure how git deals with  
> binary files, [...]

Well, you easily get an answer to this question by trying it out - I've
already done that, many months ago  ;-)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II

2008-08-22 Thread Durk Talsma
On Friday 22 August 2008 09:58:20 Martin Spott wrote:

> This is a compressed tar file which mistakenly has a different filename
> suffix,
>


Oh, yikes. Things were running a little late yesterday when I posted this. 
I'll try to replace the data file with a proper zip tomorrow. 

Cheers,
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] fixlist.cxx compile error

2008-08-22 Thread James Turner

On 22 Aug 2008, at 18:01, Alasdair Campbell wrote:

> I resolved the problem by adding
> #include 
> after the end of the "#include" directives.
>
> I don't know if this is the correct solution or whether this error is
> specific to my system (daily updated Debian Sid). I know you are going
> to say "Serves you right!", but I enjoy being on the edge. Would not  
> be
> enjoying FG CVS otherwise.

This is my fault (introducing the user of lower_bound) but I don't get  
why it works on other GCC-based platforms.

What GCC version is this? 4.2? 4.3?

Apologies for the glitch.

James

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changes in sound positioning and orientation

2008-08-22 Thread Erik Hofman

Another update: the inner-angle and outer-angle range from 0-180 degrees 
instead of 0-360 degrees.

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II

2008-08-22 Thread Brett Harrison
Martin Spott wrote:
> Brett Harrison wrote:
>
>   
>> Is anyone else having trouble with the "new-traffic-data-prev2.zip" file.
>> I've tried downloading with Win xp and Ubuntu, but both are showing errors.
>> 
>
> This is a compressed tar file which mistakenly has a different filename
> suffix,
>
>   Martin.
>   
Thanks Martin, problem solved.

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[Flightgear-devel] fixlist.cxx compile error

2008-08-22 Thread Alasdair Campbell
Building todays CVS produced the following error:

make[1]: Entering directory
`/home/alasdair/src/flightgear_0.9_cvs/src/Navaids'
g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../../src/Include -I../.. -I../../src
-I/usr/local/include  -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -MT fixlist.o -MD -MP
-MF .deps/fixlist.Tpo -c -o fixlist.o fixlist.cxx
fixlist.cxx: In member function ‘const FGFix*
FGFixList::findFirstByIdent(const std::string&,
FGIdentOrdering*)’:
fixlist.cxx:157: error: ‘lower_bound’ is not a member of ‘std’
make[1]: *** [fixlist.o] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory
`/home/alasdair/src/flightgear_0.9_cvs/src/Navaids'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
dominatrix:~/src/flightgear_0.9_cvs/src>

I resolved the problem by adding
#include 
after the end of the "#include" directives.

I don't know if this is the correct solution or whether this error is
specific to my system (daily updated Debian Sid). I know you are going
to say "Serves you right!", but I enjoy being on the edge. Would not be
enjoying FG CVS otherwise.

Kind regards, Alasdair


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] how to persuade people not to contribute

2008-08-22 Thread Erik Hofman
John Denker wrote:

> There is a multi-year track record of patches not being looked at, and
> other bad behavior.  If anybody wants to persuade me that things are
> better now, I'm waiting to be persuaded.  The ball's in your court.

One problem is that at one point I was the only one looking at patches 
and committing them to CVS. This takes time.. much time. I had to step 
down to get my finances back on track, in fact that's still not 
completely done but I' m getting there.

Times have changed and more people can commit to cvs now, but I expect 
them to face the same problems that I have had. It is a real problem 
which doesn't have an easy solution.

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changes in sound positioning and orientation

2008-08-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote:

>>+X = down, -X = up
> 
> Shoot, this should be:
>   -X = down, +X = up

This is getting embarrassing .. forget about it, it was described 
properly (just like in the README file).

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] how to persuade people not to contribute

2008-08-22 Thread John Denker
On 08/22/2008 03:47 AM, Tim Moore wrote:
> John Denker wrote:
>> On 08/16/2008 03:32 PM, Tim Moore wrote:
>> Sport Model was last updated to CVS FlightGear over a year ago. Do you 
>> have any 
>> plans to update it to current CVS?
>> On 08/16/2008 06:13 PM, I replied:
>>
> I could be persuaded.
>
> Do you think it would be helpful?
>> On 08/17/2008 08:28 AM, Tim Moore wrote:
>>
 Yes, I do think it would be helpful to get your fixes and development 
 merged in.
 It would be especially great to base your merges from CVS on the git 
 mirrors at
 pigeond.net, as several of us use that.
>> As of 08/18/2008 04:45 PM, I had done exactly what I was asked to do.
> I suppose I wasn't specific enough. I meant that would be helpful for the 
> branches in your Sport Model repository to be rebased onto or merged with 
> Pigeon's "official" ones. Unless I'm pointing at the wrong repos, I haven't 
> seen 
> any change there.
> 
>>> These patches are relative to the latest and greatest source from Pigeon's 
>>> git
>>> archive, current as of a few minutes ago.
>> Was it in fact helpful?
> Of course, there's certainly more to talk about when a patch is based on the 
> current code. I'm sorry I haven't joined in (or really processed) the recent 
> discussion of textranslate; I've had my head down in other stuff.

Allow me to be more specific:

I gave you the opportunity to persuade me that re-basing the patches
would be helpful ... that it would be something other than a completely
futile waste of my time.

You chose the example of textranslate step and scroll.  It probably
wouldn't have been my first choice, but it is the example on the table,
and will serve the purpose.  Think of it as a test-flight.

If you ask me to re-base this patch and then don't even look at it, I
am *not* persuaded to re-base any of the other patches.

There is a multi-year track record of patches not being looked at, and
other bad behavior.  If anybody wants to persuade me that things are
better now, I'm waiting to be persuaded.  The ball's in your court.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changes in sound positioning and orientation

2008-08-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Erik Hofman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> There turned out to be a problem in the documentation about sound 
> positioning and orientation that is fixed now. This affects probably 
> most aircraft that are available (which is very unfortunate) but the 
> sound must have been wrong all along.
> 
> One thing was that inner-cone and outer-cone have been replaced by 
> inner-angle and outer-angle at some point which just turned of sound 
> orientation (the default values for them are to emit sound to every 
> direction).
> 
> The direction have been updated in CVS for the following aircraft:
> f-14b
> B-2
> SeaVixen
> SR71-BlackBird
> Lightning
> 
> Another problem was the sound position which were described +Y = left, 
> -Y = right, -Z = down, +Z = up, -X = forward, +X = aft, but in reality are:
> 
>+Z = left, -Z = right
>+X = down, -X = up

Shoot, this should be:
  -X = down, +X = up


>+Y = forward, -Y = aft.
> 
> So to convert the old values to the new ones you should consider:
> 
>   new  old
>X = -Z
>Y = -X
and
  Y = X

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Changes in sound positioning and orientation

2008-08-22 Thread gerard robin
On ven 22 août 2008, Erik Hofman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> There turned out to be a problem in the documentation about sound
> positioning and orientation that is fixed now. This affects probably
> most aircraft that are available (which is very unfortunate) but the
> sound must have been wrong all along.
>
> One thing was that inner-cone and outer-cone have been replaced by
> inner-angle and outer-angle at some point which just turned of sound
> orientation (the default values for them are to emit sound to every
> direction).
>
> The direction have been updated in CVS for the following aircraft:
> f-14b
> B-2
> SeaVixen
> SR71-BlackBird
> Lightning
>
> Another problem was the sound position which were described +Y = left,
> -Y = right, -Z = down, +Z = up, -X = forward, +X = aft, but in reality are:
>
>+Z = left, -Z = right
>+X = down, -X = up
>+Y = forward, -Y = aft.
>
> So to convert the old values to the new ones you should consider:
>
>   new  old
>X = -Z
>Y = -X
>Z = Y
>
> Erik
>
Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/SR71-BlackBird/Sounds
In directory baron.flightgear.org:/tmp/cvs-serv26633/SR71-BlackBird/Sounds

Modified Files:
f16-sound.xml 
Log Message:
inner-cone and outer-cone are really called inner-angle and outer-angle

Index: f16-sound.xml
===
RCS 
file: 
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/SR71-BlackBird/Sounds/f16-sound.xml,v
retrieving revision 1.1
retrieving revision 1.2



Thanks Erik,

For the coming  days,  or months  i must give the Blackbird an other 
sound more realistic :)
However, for now,  your is good to be used.

Gmalau


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[Flightgear-devel] Changes in sound positioning and orientation

2008-08-22 Thread Erik Hofman

Hi,

There turned out to be a problem in the documentation about sound 
positioning and orientation that is fixed now. This affects probably 
most aircraft that are available (which is very unfortunate) but the 
sound must have been wrong all along.

One thing was that inner-cone and outer-cone have been replaced by 
inner-angle and outer-angle at some point which just turned of sound 
orientation (the default values for them are to emit sound to every 
direction).

The direction have been updated in CVS for the following aircraft:
f-14b
B-2
SeaVixen
SR71-BlackBird
Lightning

Another problem was the sound position which were described +Y = left, 
-Y = right, -Z = down, +Z = up, -X = forward, +X = aft, but in reality are:

   +Z = left, -Z = right
   +X = down, -X = up
   +Y = forward, -Y = aft.

So to convert the old values to the new ones you should consider:

  new  old
   X = -Z
   Y = -X
   Z = Y

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Textranslate Step and Scroll

2008-08-22 Thread Tim Moore
John Denker wrote:
> On 08/16/2008 03:32 PM, Tim Moore wrote:
> Sport Model was last updated to CVS FlightGear over a year ago. Do you 
> have any 
> plans to update it to current CVS?
> 
> On 08/16/2008 06:13 PM, I replied:
> 
 I could be persuaded.

 Do you think it would be helpful?
> 
> On 08/17/2008 08:28 AM, Tim Moore wrote:
> 
>>> Yes, I do think it would be helpful to get your fixes and development 
>>> merged in.
>>> It would be especially great to base your merges from CVS on the git 
>>> mirrors at
>>> pigeond.net, as several of us use that.
> 
> As of 08/18/2008 04:45 PM, I had done exactly what I was asked to do.
I suppose I wasn't specific enough. I meant that would be helpful for the 
branches in your Sport Model repository to be rebased onto or merged with 
Pigeon's "official" ones. Unless I'm pointing at the wrong repos, I haven't 
seen 
any change there.

> 
>> These patches are relative to the latest and greatest source from Pigeon's 
>> git
>> archive, current as of a few minutes ago.
> 
> Was it in fact helpful?
Of course, there's certainly more to talk about when a patch is based on the 
current code. I'm sorry I haven't joined in (or really processed) the recent 
discussion of textranslate; I've had my head down in other stuff.

Tim

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Textranslate Step and Scroll

2008-08-22 Thread John Denker
On 08/16/2008 03:32 PM, Tim Moore wrote:
 Sport Model was last updated to CVS FlightGear over a year ago. Do you 
 have any 
 plans to update it to current CVS?

On 08/16/2008 06:13 PM, I replied:

>>> I could be persuaded.
>>>
>>> Do you think it would be helpful?

On 08/17/2008 08:28 AM, Tim Moore wrote:

>> Yes, I do think it would be helpful to get your fixes and development merged 
>> in.
>> It would be especially great to base your merges from CVS on the git mirrors 
>> at
>> pigeond.net, as several of us use that.

As of 08/18/2008 04:45 PM, I had done exactly what I was asked to do.

> These patches are relative to the latest and greatest source from Pigeon's git
> archive, current as of a few minutes ago.

Was it in fact helpful?


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Sound positioning and orientation

2008-08-22 Thread Erik Hofman
Maik Justus wrote:
> Hi Erik,
> Erik Hofman schrieb am 21.08.2008 14:25:
>> Hi,
>> ...
>> There are two options, modify the code to reflect what is described in 
>> README.xmlsound or modify the README file.
>>
>>   
> I would prefer to modify the README file. I made some asymmetric sound 
> for helicopters (S58, bo105) and adjusted them, that the result give the 
> correct sound. But if there are other aircrafts with asymmetric sound 
> (e. g. multi engine aircrafts), which have "wrong" sound now... Does 
> anyone know of an aircraft, with "wrong" sound?

Okay you got a point here. The docs are updated now (README.xmlsound).
Also after checking the positioning and orientation code it all seemed 
to work properly already, the wrong documentation gave me the wrong 
impression.

This led to one good thing though; the move of the code from the main 
loop to the FGFX class makes it rather easy to add support for multiple 
sound sources, just create a new FGFX class for every aircraft (and 
update the  code to get the models position, which should be a one 
liner) and it should work properly.

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II

2008-08-22 Thread Martin Spott
Brett Harrison wrote:

> Is anyone else having trouble with the "new-traffic-data-prev2.zip" file.
> I've tried downloading with Win xp and Ubuntu, but both are showing errors.

This is a compressed tar file which mistakenly has a different filename
suffix,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Traffic Manager II

2008-08-22 Thread Brett Harrison
Durk Talsma wrote:
> On Thursday 31 July 2008 21:22, Durk Talsma wrote:
>   
>> For the adventurous, I've also posted a snapshot of the current code
>> (source only). Feedback is appreciated.
>>
>> 
>
> For those interested, here's another snapshot of the current in development 
> code of the traffic manager:
>
> http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/FlightGear-1.0.0-new-traffic-manager-prev2.tar.gz
>
> The main improvement of the current code is that I've switched to a more 
> efficient search mechanism to link Aircraft and Flights. There are still a 
> few things left to do before the code is ready for CVS:
>
> - Switch the file format back to xml
> - Ensure backward compatibiliy (it's actually fairly easy to do)
> - More cleanup.
>
> There is also the accompanying data file. This file contains a broad 
> selection 
> of Flights to and from EHAM, based on the August 2008 time table. All 
> required AI aircraft should be in the CVS data package now. 
>
> http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/new-traffic-data-prev2.zip
>
> Finally, the new code works extremely well in combination with the new EHAM 
> terminal buildings that Gijs is working on. Reason to add a few more 
> screenshots to my FlightGear AI " in development" webpage:
>
> http://durktalsma.xs4all.nl/FlightGear/web/75.html
>
> Enjoy!
> Durk
>
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Is anyone else having trouble with the "new-traffic-data-prev2.zip" file.
I've tried downloading with Win xp and Ubuntu, but both are showing errors.



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